r/climatechange Descent to apocalyptic doomerism

/r/climatechange used to be an interesting sun to have rational discussions on evidence based news and papers on climate change. This thread for instance was made specifically to tackle the most anxious worst case scenario alarmists.

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/aqdmbz/im_afraid_climate_change_is_going_to_kill_me_help/

Up until a year ago the sub treated Climate Change on a similar way as the scientific community did, a very serious global problem that will cause the unnecessary deaths of millions and displacement of dozens of millions not to mention the costs caused by damage and rising sea levels.

Some examples

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/k1vyxo/scared_and_uncertain_about_collapse/

>In my opinion /r/collapse is not a credible source for information about climate change. The users of the subreddit hardly ever seem to caution their statements with evidence, sources, or citations to the scientific literature, and much of it is simply just slippery-slope argumentation with the predetermined goal of claiming that civilization will collapse in the next few years. If you want to learn about climate science I would suggest you look for sources that have some kind of academic credentials in a relevant field, and most importantly who cite their claims directly from the published literature. But that's just my opinion.

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/cy8j91/prediction_by_extinction_rebellions_roger_hallam/

>Don't tell that to /r/collapse, they think it'll be 20 billion and the clathrate gun will boil us all alive.

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/ynwqms/when_will_climate_change_end_the_world/

>It will create new challenges for humans for a new reason. Displacement not due to war but due to floods etc. Hunger due to climate change combining with the raft of other reasons people are now hungry. It will impact the poorest people in less developed countries the most, and the richest in the developed countries the least. The poor have far less buffer before they are impacted than the rich.

>Most people on Earth will be fine and it will just change the flavour of life as we know it, not stop us being sustained.

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/j0saqd/is_overpopulation_really_not_a_big_deal_even_when/

However during the last few months the sub received an influx from /r/collapse and now they're favoring the fringiest of worst case scenarios to the point of claiming the human race will go extinct or that society will collapse in a couple of decades.

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/16q4nwt/to_people_who_think_climate_change_will_cause/

>For example, phytoplankton make about 50% of our breathable oxygen. They die if the ocean pH gets too low or temperature gets too high. This is happening. It's therefore reasonable to assume the makeup of our atmosphere may exit the very fine balance required for humans to breathe.

>Don't forget about refugee crises, an increase in nationalist violence against immigrants, and also, RESOURCE WARS! It's not just gonna be some storms and flooding, there will be millions of refugees and billions in disaster relief, in addition to impacts on global supply chains.

>What leads you to believe we will survive?

>Did you notice how many people died in floods this year? Phoenix was 120 degrees half the summer. People can't survive that for long.

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/1bajchm/florida_and_climate_change/

Of course books like “Limits of Growth” have become mainstream among them

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/190kil7/3040_years_ago_was_the_situation_the_world_is_in/

>The Limits to Growth was written in 1972 and modeled well what is happening.

>What? First of all, that repot does not even address the topic of climate change. But regardless of that, it's spectacularly wrong, demonstrably so. https://reason.com/2012/04/18/the-limits-to-growth-40-year-update/

Also “The Population Bomb”

>Check out the book, Population Bomb in 1968, foretold most of what is happening and why. People still don't see population growth as the #1 problem we face.

This is a book which predicted mass famines in India with hundreds of millions dead happening as early as the 1980s, subsequent editions changed that to the 2000s, the author is still alive and claims he was right about everything and continues to double down.

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/1bbdjdt/opinion_im_a_climate_scientist_if_you_knew_what_i/