What's the point of doomerism? Will we have money in the solarpunk utopia?

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/1btxtpi/whats_the_point_of_doomerism/

In another episode of their self-enforced world ending session, the of /r/climatechange debate whether doomerism is even desirable

The writing is on the wall. If some people cope with that through nihilism or however else you want to define doomerism, that's their prerogative. Gen Z has been brought up with previously unimaginable access to information, lived through a pandemic during our formative years, and a lot of us are entering the workforce with no hope for being able to afford a house, family, or even basic necessities. And it is not likely to get much better for us financially, as far as I can tell. Doomerism is here to stay, at least for awhile. In my view, it's a coping mechanism.

zoomers again are the most disadvantaged generation in human history

It's a grief coping mechanism for when people think they have no power.

It's not a permanent state but it is toxic, don't give into it.

Sounds reasonable, let's see the replies

no. that is not a factual assessment of the situation or the reaction to it.

We are doomed. facts don't care about our desire for hope.

It isn't hysteria. The world's major governments were warned we needed to be almost done transitioning away from fossile fuels by 92. they reacted by increasing production and use dramatically. the gulf stream is dying, the oceans are warming very rapidly. and we haven't seen the results of the massive loss of permafrost yet.

Unless we are rapidly transitioning to a socialist economic system and radically cutting our emissions through lifestyle changes and stopping the use of nonrenewable energy sources, I'm not sure what you count as progress.

climate change?

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/1bu38i1/seven_hard_truths_about_the_climate_crisis_the/

Here /r/environment discusses le 57 companies cause climate change

https://old.reddit.com/r/environment/comments/1bv8u63/just_57_companies_linked_to_80_of_greenhouse_gas/

Surprisingly they're not swallowing what the Guardian journos write

https://old.reddit.com/r/climate/comments/1bvjt44/flying_should_be_rationed_to_reduce_huge_climate/

How are goods and services traded in the solar punk utopia?

In some proposed anarchist systems, contracts that basically outline any duties you have in your community as well as the benefits you get from that community, so you do your duties and than head off to the food depot (which can look more or less just like a modern grocery store or farmers market or what have you) and they just take whatever food they need, no currency exchange, and farmers grow that food because they can also benefit from free goods and services in that community. This system functioned even during war time in Catalonia during WW2, where currency was forgone for organized unions sharing resources in absence of a top down hierarchical government, and could probably be improved over time as more people lived within it and gave input.

Again with Catalonia

We can be confident about what isn't solarpunk - fast fashion, proof of work, things that are wasteful of resources and harmful to the environment.

But we can't definitively say what's most solarpunk in either fashion or economics. Because solarpunk is local, anarchistic, and community focused, and in both cases communities should develop (or recover from precapitalist days) the customs that meet their particular needs.

Money is both uninteresting and trivial to solve. People have had this solved for thousands of years, using anything that denotes debt. That's what money is, an IOU.

People have written what they owe on clay tablets, on papyrus, they have used seashells, carved rocks, beads, etc and it's all worked relatively well. With electronic record keeping (NOT BLOCKCHAIN) , it's super simple to record everything and share those records.

With or without a post-scarcity reality (I'm not holding out for a Star Trek replicator), money isn't hard to create and use.

Dude there's no need for currency, we'll do what the ancient egyptians and Mesopotamians did but with electronics

!neolibs !anticommunists