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1. Superheroes are the idealized version of Great Men inherent in Fascistic ideology, that demokkkracy can't solve anything and only leads to ruination and degeneracy while a vigilante, reigning justice from above, able to overcome and rip through all the hurdles that bind normal soyciety can lift the curse from the people single-handedly. Example - literally Hitler
2. Superheroes are the idealized version of humanity. That the nameless and faceless amogus work tirelessly even in the face of fascistic threats, actual journos reporting under a dictatorship even at the threat of their lives, revolutionaries willing to give their life for their ideals and rouse the spirits of the enslaved to show what they can achieve. They defeat regimes by showing the people that victory can be achieved, even at their death. Example - Nathan Hale, The Scholl siblings and literally Jesus
People will believe what they want.
!bookworms which stream of philosophy do you subscribe to?
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Superheroes are fictional stories made for children and youngsters and other people to hace fun and maybe look as a model. Nothing more.
They're not different from medieval chivalrous romances as even though as those had masterpieces like Chanson de Roland and Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, by the 16th and 17th century it was mostly slop which is why Miguel de Cervantes mocked them in Don Quixote.
Leftoids are so brainrotted by marxism that they believe history began in 1789 and keep throwing their shitty theory at everything.
!historychads
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Wrong.
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Glad to see you're back and just as ornery as ever.
One of my better ones
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You should flip this picture upside down and see if anyone notices
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NOOOOOO CONFLICT
THEORY 
IS THE ONLY WAY TO VIEW THE WORLD
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Jung disagrees but I've never met someone who promoted Jung without seeming like a total pseud. One of the biggest online Orthobros was doing it before Peterson got popular.
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Quoting Jung and Freud in modern day is so weird. Not only are their theories outdated/proven false but even back on the day at least Freud was kind of seen as a quack by many, I imagine it wouldn't be much different with Jung though he was as much as a crackpot as Freud.
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Only the most terminally online, soy-infused "leftists" spend any amount of energy debating whether comic books are fascistic or not.
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I'm not comparing superhero stories to fascism. That's the job best left to ham fisted liberals who are too kitty to say "both sides bad" but make every effort to distinguish themselves from tankies and end up making "anti-slop"slop like The Boys and Homelander shit
I'm talking about the idea of Great Men acting as the propellant of history.
That Great men are the prime movers of history is begrudgingly accepted by even the most "proleteriat" of historians. No movement, no ideal, no belief can survive without having a persona attached to them. This serves two purpose - 1. To make people share their pain as their own pain, their gain as their own happiness. It binds you closely to the ideals. Christ's pain is your pain. Christ died for your sins.
And on the opposite side- 2. Discarding these ideals when they are found to be anachronistic are made easier. It's much less cumbersome to say McCarthy was bad than say the idea of widespread surveillance to keep socialism at bay was bad because it's too amorphous to describe why actually showing pity to the poor is detrimental to US interests (literally a question McCarthy had put in citizenship applications in the 50s which remained long after he was gone).
Hope I got my point across. I can't put in so much effort only to get laughed at by longpostbot.
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I just like big guys beating
the shit out of people
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!goomblers
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The only correct take, really.
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How are great men inherent to fascism? Isn't the whole point of fascism the ablaton of the individual in the service of the state/race? Isn't viglantism, a rejection of the states monopoly on legitimate proactive violence and a willingness to follow ones own moral code, antithetical to a extreme worship of tradition, the state, the military like fascism? The hero of fascism isn't the vigilante, it's the soldier. Number 1. sounds more like an ubermensch, a post moral hero striding past egalitarian untermench to create their own version of heaven on earth.
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Great men aren't inherent to fascism. Like I said, you can interpret it in both ways. Great men as transcending the social barriers of their time is the prerequisite of transforming into a superhero. The process of transformation and their rhetoric and sermons to people while they erupt from the cocoon of mid to great is what determines whether they are fascist or shining beacons of humanity.
Rhetoric 1 is of fascists - "only they" can make you better. Everything is better with them.
Rhetoric 2 of humanitarians - they will risk/sacrifice themselves for "the truth". For truth is the only ideal that matters. (I'm going on a very Socratic bend here, but it's my interpretation).
If you believe in both rhetorics, you come to a twilight zone where, indeed we are living in a post truth society, because dems' pursuit of putting ideological tints over every news is no less than republicans and both are equally fascistic. Which is why we see these ugly pointless culture wars about Marvel superheroes
because both sides want to appropriate fascistic icons for themselves.
Tl;dr -
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Great Man theory is a meme and an evolution to the even more idiotic Great God theory. Only historical materialism provides a decent, scientific understanding of history and social evolution and it is to this day the best attempt humanity has ever given to a proper theory of history.
I don't wanna beat a dead horse but Hegel and the idealists have already been thoroughly trounced over 150 years ago while dialectical materialism still reigns supreme, so I choose option 3, read The Society of the Spectacle.
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Uh oh
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But really, everyone should read The Society of the Spectacle. It's more relevant today than when it was written.
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