I've heard people say that Sky High and the Lion King are fascist, so I've just decided that the word "fascist" informs you of the political alignment of the speaker but tells you nothing of the political alignment of the accused.

>randian style philosophy

>Fascism is when Lolbertarianism and distrust of government!

!bookworms what is wrong with these cute twinks?

1. Superheroes are the idealized version of Great Men inherent in Fascistic ideology, that demokkkracy can't solve anything and only leads to ruination and degeneracy while a vigilante, reigning justice from above, able to overcome and rip through all the hurdles that bind normal soyciety can lift the curse from the people single-handedly. Example - literally Hitler

2. Superheroes are the idealized version of humanity. That the nameless and faceless amogus work tirelessly even in the face of fascistic threats, actual journos reporting under a dictatorship even at the threat of their lives, revolutionaries willing to give their life for their ideals and rouse the spirits of the enslaved to show what they can achieve. They defeat regimes by showing the people that victory can be achieved, even at their death. Example - Nathan Hale, The Scholl siblings and literally Jesus

People will believe what they want.

!bookworms which stream of philosophy do you subscribe to?

!comicshitters looks like somebody has been reading (and probably misinterpreting) Watchmen or The Boys or Injustice or something else lately lmao

the superhero as a fascist archetype stems from real life political conversations in superhero storytelling [and also] in the fundamental premise that an empowered individual should have any kind of authority to punish evildoers whatsoever

So they're fascist archetypes because of what they say (which is what exactly? *crickets*) and because of their vigilantism.

Fascism is a system of government. Vigilantism operates outside of any system of government. Superheroes are archetypes of a vigilante. That's it. Otherwise, we could conclude that superheroes are an archetype of communists.

Granted, commies and fascists have operated outside of the law to right wrongs as they perceive, but their reasons are different. Same goes for superheroes who are basically like "I don't like actual criminals as defined by a basic set of laws against stealing, killing, or cheating people." Communists and fascists have a bit of that but also expand their definition of criminal into "people who do as they please with their property regardless of them actually stealing, killing, or cheating people out of their just deserts."

There's a lot of superhero stories where they form a "league of justice," but that's centered on combating "the bad guys." They impose a rule of law against a group of clearly defined Bad Guys. Still completely different from communists and fascists' definitions of Bad Guys (which is everyone who is not in their Party).

The superhero archetype also varies from representing the sole and morally good vigilante (Batman) to a group of "vigilantes" who impose their own rule of law on certain people (justice league).

Still no fascist or communist archetype at play here. Could it be that these r-slurs do not understand the differences of moral rules among those governments and vigilantes?

!mottezans, discuss!

Wasn't the very concept of superheroes made by liberal jews modernizing the trope of the Golem?

Also I thought every good work ever made was made by liberals and chuds are invader parasites that never made anything

ALSO "Grrr people are making something I don't like" chuddery is rampant I see

ALSO^3 "Superheroes are bad because they deliver extrajudicial violent "justice"" but I could bet my spleen they worship Antifa "super soldiers", curious

!nooticers

This is a complete strawman, Stan Lee is Jewish and wrote the dialogue of the Spiderman stories whereas Ditko did the drawings, as well as writing Captain America and other stories up until the 70s where other libs like Gerry Conway took over. The idea that there was "Americaman" and "Blue Justice" is ridiculous, the anti-communist and patriotic allegories came because they were made when people needed a morale boost during the literal WW2 and cold wars with the soviets where communists were actual dictators and not your son's weird friends. Even then, the "anti-communist" era of Captain America was so brief that Marvel apologized for it and retconned it to be a right wing nutjob who stole the name

Another thing is like these comics tackling issues like drug crime were created because people demanded that comics comment on these political issues that were seriously affecting the populace. Stan Lee and Gerry Conway used Harry's drug addiction to call out Norman, an old rich white businessman, for only caring about it when it got out of the hood

This regurgitated Moore shit is regarded when you realize hes an anarchist that was a part of vigilante antifa groups. Also what is the state but anonymous men with enormous amountsh of power?

And to the argument of "well the idea of a superpowered individual having the authority to punish evildoers is fascistic" well good thing they collaborate with police then :)

But my other argument against all this is this: theyre not real

Like it when Superman punches people. Simple as

Not to be a nerd but Rorschach is based off two of Ditko's characters, the more famous Question and Mr. A, both Objectivist characters created by Steve Ditko. Trying to connect Randian philosophy/politics to fascistic politics seems to be their trying to put two things you don't like into the same group. Randian philosophy/politics desires for as minimal state involvement in society and for people to be as objective and rational as they can. Fascism desires for a highly centralized state governing society with high state involvement. Quite funny to see them saying that Watchmen is about "superheroes are FASCIST" when Richard Nixon has been president in the Watchmen world for at least four terms in-universe and the state using superheroes to further their goals, e.g. Dr. Manhattan ending the Vietnam War in only one month. The state is much more authoritarian than the superheroes.

I don't know or care enough about capeshit to have much to say, but I do think it's got to be unhealthy for people to grow up with this slop being their whole culture. Which it seems to be for zoomers.

Why is it that even beyond the realm of plebbit you buttholes still feel the need to restrain yourselves from indulging in some quality drama. It's like your fricking yourselves out of habit.

But that's only part of it. Even typing the title I already knew the answer to it. The sad fact is that you bastards have somehow become so jaded, so emotionally stunted, and so nihilistic that you can't even motivate yourself to get invested in some good old r-slurred internet drama.

The culture of Arrr drama murdered itself, because you apathetic bastards stopped caring about shit so hard that you can't even get invested in something or some argument purely for the drama of it anymore. You, as a culture and a community, kept picking apart and tearing down any ideological or philosophical position, and you attacked the very idea of taking any sort of ideological position on an issue to the point where now you cant even force yourself to take the contrarian position or the position of wanting more drama out of something.

You grew to despise the idea of caring about anything so much that you can't bring yourself to care about drama.

Now arrr drama, and all it's spinoffs, have become a place for nihilists created by this place to try to give a shit, if only for the sake of drama, or for emotionally stunted narcissists to try to relive their "glory" days of bullying the weird kids in middle school by laughing at random people acting stupid on the internet, just like the plebbitor who tries to relive his childhood by sperging about capeshit on the internet.

And for those of you who will inevitably reply, "imagine caring", the point of drama is to blow everything ridiculously out of proportion, not to not give a shit whatsoever.

And one last thing. And this is real shit, not just ironic drama tardation: despite the fact that drama is inherently a sort of guilty, immoral pleasure, enjoying it doesn't need to involve being actually terrible and peepeeish. Which some of you are; seemingly prevented from giving a frick or caring about anything at all on the internet because of your irony poisoned brains that have decided that it's ok to be a sociopath as long as it's not serious while simultaneously refusing to take anything seriously.

Keep yourselves safe.

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