Kraut Science lady (Sabine Chudettefelder) says she doesn't trust soyentists :sciencejak: :marseyscientist: :marseyplanet:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gMOjD_Lt8qY

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TL;DW Scientists (especially physicists) produce mostly junk pseudoscience papers or hype up their work for grant gibs/attention whoring.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1723768650147149.webp

Climate Change however is not only real, but worse than the public believes and climate scientists are better than particle physicists because they suffer from public scrutiny and undermine Climate Change effects so they're not accused of being alarmists. Don't trust people, trust data, math and logic.

At least this is what she states on the video.

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskPhysics/comments/1epjmq1/is_sabine_hossenfelder_right_about_current/

Is Sabine Hossenfelder right..."

As a general principle, no.

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don't know what she said exactly but given that it's Sabine Hossenfelder I would assume it is nonsense

Lol

What did she say exactly?

Just because it's falsifiable doesn't mean it's good science.

Title says it all, really, but it's such a common misunderstanding I want to expand on this for a bit.

A major reason we see so many wrong predictions in the foundations of physics – and see those make headlines – is that both scientists and science writers take falsifiability to be a sufficient criterion for good science.

Now, a scientific prediction must be falsifiable, all right. But falsifiability alone is not sufficient to make a prediction scientific. (And, no, Popper never said so.) Example: Tomorrow it will rain carrots. Totally falsifiable. Totally not scientific.

Why is it not scientific? Well, because it doesn't live up to the current quality standard in olericulture, that is the study of vegetables. According to the standard model of root crops, carrots don't grow on clouds.

What do we learn from this? (Besides that the study of vegetables is called "olericulture," who knew.) We learn that to judge a prediction you must know why scientists think it's a good prediction.

Why does it matter?"

Physicels of rdrama, thoughts?

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Didn't read, but my experience is that the higher I go in employment, education, age, whatever, the more I realize that almost everyone is r-slurred and should not be blindly trusted.

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I've visited two different sausage factories.

Art school inoculated me to the repulsive pretense of an art world that never evolved past Duchamp's Fountain. A century they've spent, crashing down the same open doors over and over and congratulating themselves more with each silent crash, making sure art stays frozen and zombified.

I could participate in the charade, or move on. So I moved on. My branch of social science was in a better state than the rest of it. Still it was often not very good science, more often not science at all, and rarely ever useful, insightful, meaningful, helpful, or a breakthrough of any sort.

It was stats mashed together, slapdash methodologies, droning interviews, conclusions first, and references after. Just a mill for long-winded permission slips giving the state its excuse to spend even more of other people's money on tat, and giving NGOs more angles to embezzle what they hadn't already.

It all made me the chud I am today. Well, that and the r*pefugees :doomerchud:

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My art professors made me attend "performance art" for extra credit

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Talk about "big todo about nothing". Hundreds of dollars were spent on the performance art that could have been used on art supplies. I was mad, and the "performance" was unsettling because it was supposed to be evocative or some shit

:marseytrollcrazy: AND WHY ARE THEY ALL OBSESSED WITH FRIDA KAHLO

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>FRIDA KAHLO

The other guy already said it, they see themselves in her - ideological, childish, talentless, and ugly. But it's also a shibboleth. They aren't actually personally interested her aside from what they can gain from conspicuous public displays of appreciation.

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Because she embodies the foid in her most base state. Consistently self absorbed, her primary subject being herself. Constantly crying about how bad she has it and what a girlboss she is for having it so hard (nvm she is firmly middle class in a barely post-medieval shithole). Also technically mediocre which goes hand in hand with art schools teaching that skill is pedantry and not necessary anymore and anyone can do whatever and be a serious artiste.

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I had to do multiple assignments about her and I remember almost nothing

reminds me of Indian and Asian art students always complaining that they don't have ✨white privilege✨ so their parents don't support their dreams :marseyxd: even tho their parents are usually loaded and buy them stuff :marseyhmmm:

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I genuinely cant tell if everyone is r-slurred or they've all been disillusioned too and are just playing the game

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there is so much bullshit out there that manages to pass muster, and then it gets diluted as the information gets dispersed

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Any youtube science person i find inherently untrustworthy. At the very least they don't have an in depth understanding of what they're talking about when it comes to pop science youtubers and at the worst they're purposely misleading/contrarian to get views.

The fact that these get views and fool people also makes me skeptical about media reporting on scientific papers/concepts. Maybe some are correct but I'm not just going to take their word for them and for concepts I don't care about I'm not going to learn enough to find the truth so most of these I just leave them with "that's a nice idea but I'm not going take anything away from this"


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At the very least they don't have an in depth understanding of what they're talking about when it comes to pop science youtubers and at the worst they're purposely misleading/contrarian to get views.

Sabine is a theoretical physicist, so she falls on the latter. She used to be a mixed bag but now she's just a clickbaity polemicist.

The fact that these get views and fool people also makes me skeptical about media reporting on scientific papers/concepts. Maybe some are correct but I'm not just going to take their word for them and for concepts I don't care about I'm not going to learn enough to find the truth so most of these I just leave them with "that's a nice idea but I'm not going take anything away from this"

This is actually a big problem, not so much for certain fields like theoretical physics which have zero impact for the general population, but it's big when it comes to climatology and public health.

Just because a paper is published doesn't mean it's good or true, so the public has reasons to distrust, however the public is unable to understand what the papers contents are. To make matters muddier, the experts themselves will argue over them because that's how science works, data can be interpreted in different ways, but that doesn't make a compelling argument for making scientists policymakers.

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>youtube science

Fluid dynamics!

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I WISH it was that based.

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Listen if you know any scientists you know you shouldn't trust scientists. Unironically the shit you hear about going on in labs is such an insane slurry of incompetence and malice it's actually hilarious.

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blanket statement with little meaning

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:#gigachad2:

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People think shes a climate change denier for some reason :marseyxd: i could never stand physics not only is it too much math but at the higher levels its all super theoretical and not all that useful. Ill just stick to medical research which is more directly useful to humans.

The raining carrots example makes no sense. It's perfectly scientific if stupid to hypothesize "its going to rain carrots tomorrow " you see it doesn't rain carrots mark it off as wrong. Whats not scientific to run to the public with untestable theories like string theory and talk about it like it's general relativity 2.0.

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The raining carrots example makes no sense. It's perfectly scientific if stupid to hypothesize "its going to rain carrots tomorrow " you see it doesn't rain carrots mark it off as wrong.

That's because Sabine is a hack. She started her YouTube channel as an educator for the general public and as a critic of clickbaity soyence (and of fields in physics which are purely mathematical without data backing it like String Theory). Nowadays she's just a contrarian :npcoppse: pushing polemics. I can't blame her, I bet she's making much more money this way and selling her books than she would doing research.

I'm actually surprised she became a climate doomer the past few months. Just a couple of years ago she recorded a video criticizing "longtermists" like Musk and she ended the video saying something like: "if I owe the future anything, i'll wait until it sends me an invoice"

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Who knows maybe a forensic scientist will be hit by lightning and be able to prove string theory making fools of us :marseylaugh: ill just say growing up as a i fricking love science kid who did quiz bowl and science bowl all the science stuff i read took string theory as a given it was true

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Seriously what is that user talking about? Its like AI level of syntax confusion.

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you see it doesn't rain carrots mark it off as wrong.

Actually :marseynerd3:, you fail to confirm your hypothesis.

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torturing lab chimps while watching this.

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jewish lives matter

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Dang she must have the smoothest of brains.

Science isn't just making a prediction that can be falsified. You need to take reasonable steps to try to falsify your prediction.

Saying "tomorrow it will rain carrots" and then setting up buckets to capture the delicious rain absolutely IS science.

Is she confusing modelling with the basic scientific process?

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:marseyjuggalo: Yeah, y'all motherlovers lyin' and makin' me pissed!

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This lady is super r-slurred if she claims that data can't be wrong

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Oh boy, they're going too turn on her HARD.

How long until accusations of:

Racism

Misoginy

Anti Semitism

Funded by Russia

black lives matter

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