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I think this time they're surpassing themselves. I've never seen this level of hyperbole from climate change experts and presumed it was just the journos, but she actually said that
She said about two thirds of the 8.2billion people who live on this planet are under an effective "death sentence" as natural disasters will continue to grow more deadly in the years to come unless human behaviors change. "The point is that climate change is happening to everyone and in every region of the world," she said.
She's the head of an environmental consulting firm from Washington DC, it says she's a marine scientist and climate expert.
Anyway, let's check /r/climatechange hysterics
If even 10% of the world is under a death sentence, that is enough to bring war and strife to 100% of the world. People are not going to stay put and just roll over and die lol.
You think illegal immigration is bad now. Shit is going to hit the fan. Look at the maps for worst hit areas: West Africa, India, parts of South Asia and Middle East. Best areas not only in terms of climate but also wealth and preparedness are all the developed 1st world areas.
What does that mean? Are we going to have to be at a low level defensive warfare just to keep people out?
Will it be like World War Z? Probably not, but trends aren't looking good for internal conflict within countries like UK, France, etc.
Immigration is natural. The fact that it's "illegal" is an artificial governmental administration problem.
Oh I agree it's natural. That doesn't mean it's always good. Cancer is natural too.
Yikes, so much xenophobia
Also, RIP @kaamrev
It's crazy conservative.
Way more than 2/3rds.
I hope she an alarmist, because it sounds scary.
If you're new to this and not just being sarcastic; her message is a common refrain from many, many scientists. What nobody can tell you definitively is when this will happen. Therefore, no one is willing to blow up their present for an uncertain future thereby ensuring the worst possible version of the future will happen.
I think most scientists definitely wouldn't go as far as saying "two-thirds of the world are under a death sentence". There's a lot of room between that and "everyone will be fine", and most scientists I think are somewhere between that.
I would have agreed with you until recently where things are starting to unravel a "tad" faster than expected. The models that indicated we weren't going to extinct ourselves are being found to have been too conservative. Scientists are pretty baffled about the alarmingly warm oceans. So, some are starting to sound a more urgent alarm. Not sure that it matters though. We can't help ourselves from waiting until we're.forced to act. There will be some dark days ahead.
It's beyond scary. Anyone alive who doesn't think climate change is the most serious and destructive threat facing the human species is delusional. The earth will endure and will begin to heal after mankind has died and is gone. We are barreling to extinction.
Are they serious? Even the most doomerist climate models don't talk about 5.5 billion people dying, not even close. Lmao, is not even /r/collapse-lite anymore is just full /r/collapse.
I would say it's more like 9/10th. The political strife and food shortages are going to rock the entire world, even relatively climate resilient places will suffer badly because of the disruptions everywhere else.
The trouble with global supply chains is that they break pretty easily.
Dramatards, what's your plan to survive the climate apocalypse?
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I hate these people so much. I do actually care about the environment and support some sensible environmental regulations but the over-the-top doomer shit just poisons the well. You can't have any kind of rational discussion with somebody who thinks 2/3rds of all humans are gonna die to natural disasters.
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But they're going to be.
Even if we reduce the CO2 from every human by 10%, as soon as we hit 10% more humans we are roughly were we started. And 3rd worlders make sure that the population is constantly growing. The only thing that can combat climate change is population control.
So the situation becomes worse and worse until millions die.
On the other hand that is not an issue. Infinite growth isn't possible. It doesn't work in capitalism - it doesn't work for humans. The only thing we can hope for is that advanced enough nations survive and humanity doesn't fall back into another dark age. And even then, humanity will survive. Earth will survive.
If you look at climate change you can see the various stages of grief in many people. Some are in denial, some are angry, some try to bargain, ... Some have accepted it.
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Our per-capita CO2 emissions vary far more wildly than world population.
In developed nations food might get more expensive and some people may have to move away from the coast but... that's really about it. It'll only really be catastrophic is very poor countries.
We aren't even remotely close to a place where we're using all energy on the planet. Like not even 0.001% there. These kinds of "infinite growth" platitudes may be correct... like thousands of years from now. But I find it pointless to speculate that far ahead, frankly. Technology will be so wildly different in the year 3000 not to mention the year 4000 and beyond that I don't think it should really factor into our current calculus.
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Neo-malthusianism has to stop. They keep peddling the "overpopulation is out of control! There will be 20 billion soon!"
The most populated countries of South America (Brazil, Colombia and Argentina) whom together account for 3/4 of the continent population have a fertility rate lower than the US (1.4 in Brazil, 1.4 in Colombia and 1.56 in Argentina, all for 2023).
India fell under 2.1 last year, Bangladesh is sub-fertility. Only sub-saharan Africa and the Middle-East have TFRs above 3 children but it will not remain that way forever.
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That's all correct, but my point is that even if population increases, it'll still be possible.
In the (distant) past, human population was constricted by food supply (and other essentials like water). Agriculture was vastly less efficient and famines were common because human population kept butting up against the limit, so the inevitable "bad harvest" that would come every few or 20 years or whatever would have a ruinous effect on the population and cause significant deaths from starvation. The population couldn't grow any further, it was at a limit.
That's just straight up not the situation in developed countries anymore and hasn't been in a long time. I mean really think about the US having a famine, where there's literally not enough food to feed our population. We grow so much excess food that we add it to fricking gasoline lmao. Now the reason our population decreases is because we literally just don't feel like having children. Not any external factors, we just don't want to.
So anybody claiming that we're somehow reaching the limit of our resources to sustain our population is (imo) an idiot. We're not. Sure as there's more demand for certain things prices may increase, but food prices are so absurdly cheap these days that they could double and it would still be miles cheaper than it was in the past.
Unless by "infinite growth" someone means we're gonna run out of iron ore or something which is just... lmao.
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Not one single person is gonna read all that
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not true nuclearshill will read it
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I get what you mean, the dumbest ones do indeed think we're running out of resources (I wouldn't be surprised if some of them believe we're running out of iron either), but for what I've seen online, the basic premise the neo-malthusians believe is that population growth will not lead to resource scarcity, but to climate catastrophe triggered food scarcity. "We can't outsmart nature!" They'll say.
The thing is, that's precisely what we have been doing since the Industrial Revolution started, using technology to feed more people and cure diseases allowing for population growth. The Green Revolution averted famine in 3 continents for instance, I wouldn't bet against human ingenuity even in the face of climate catastrophe.
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Population is gonna peak in 2080 if not earlier at around 10 billion (peak human by 2070 without ever reaching 10 billion is looking more and more likely). "Third world" is a broad term, the only continent with positive fertility rates is Africa. LATAM is sub-fertility and its population growth is due to population momentum, it will peak in 2050. East and South-East Asia are declining, South Asia has stabilized.
Also, forget about per-capita. 50% of emissions come from only 2 countries, the United States and China. Add Russia, India, the EU, Canada, Australia, Japan and Korea and you have like 80% of all emissions. Brazil has 200 million inhabitants and contributes to just 1% thanks to hydropower, wind, biofuels, and solar, less than 2% of energy production in Brazil comes from burning coal. Germany contributes to 2% with 80 million inhabitants.
!mathematics
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Also people living in sheet metal huts
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Humans won't stop what they're doing or start to care about the doomershit full stop. Then the world will continue turning until the next ebola virus or orange man bad comes up to fill the news with other bullshit and everyone will forget about the doomposting again. None of it is relevant in any way.
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If you think about it planet earth is like mankind's battered housewife, no matter how badly we beat it, it keeps plodding along, just a bit worse than before.
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That's why I don't believe in climate change. It will always be this temperature range forever.
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hey cdace I actually learned a neat dinofact recently
apparently the rings of Saturn are so new that if a dinosaur were to look up at Saturn with a dinotelescope, there would be no rings - they're estimated to be less than 100mil years old.
okay maybe more of a spacefact than dinofact but whatever
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!dinochads good lore drop
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Shit, this completely breaks all of my dino fanfiction
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hey slimy can u ping me when u level to 100 thx
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I'll try to remember
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The souls of the dinos were sent to heaven to form Saturn's rings
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THATS A GOOD DINOFACT
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There were dinosaurs 70 million years ago r-slur so your fact is DEBUNKED
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yeah but the ones 70 mil years ago were bitchmade
cretaceouscels fear jurassichads
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Triassic boomers be like
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There are dinosaurs right now
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the only chud shit I truly agree with is the fact that nothing ever happens
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For perspective, Hurricane Katrina killed less than .2% of New Orleans' population and it flooded 80% of the city was under at least 10 feet of water. And half of those deaths happened weeks later because of diseases because black people looted moldy bread from kroger
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Perfect example.
You can drastically frick up a city and have it barely show up on the excess deaths blip a la New Orleans. Anyone who has family from there or who has lived in SE Louisiana can tell you that shit is not good and the city never fully recovered from Katrina, even now nearly 20 years on.
Climate change is pretty slow and pretty boring. Oh wow my hurricane holds 0.87% more water this year who gives a frick. Except of course that stacks over time in an infinitely incomprehensible probability buildup where you can't exactly predict when or how bad but you can see the way the chart is going. See also covid masking where going from 0.167 transmission likelihood to iirc like 0.05 doesn't seem like much but over time and applied at rate it helps.
But of course no one lives in a vacuum and the people screaming the loudest get the funding. Neat.
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This lady wants her "we didn't listen" moment, but I'll gladly continue making fun of her if she is right guilt free.
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There's literally nothing wrong with such a death toll
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