OP is trying to do a HELOC to pay for his wedding () and discovers the 0% down solar panels he had installed (which only cost $86k) actually triggered a $410k PACE lien. A PACE lien is from a loan program that the Feds setup a while ago which is rife with scammers. To the point that some municipalities have outright gotten rid of the program. The way the scam goes is that contractor bids a job to replace windows, tells the customer you won't have to pay anything up front you can just do a PACE loan, jacks up the fees, and sometimes doesn't even bother to complete the work. It's hard to tell how the lien is for $410k since the OP has no idea what's going on. Maybe it was really a lease or the lien amount is for the loan over 30 years or something. These are first priority liens too, which means they get paid before the mortgage.
OP explaining how he spent $86k on solar panels:
It was a large amount of panels. 49 total. We have multiple people living with us, plus a relative that stayed with us during the quarantine year. We were all home for almost a year eating up energy usage. The solar companies base your panel needs off of the past year usage, so I thought it was a great time to get a system built to absolutely overproduce. In my state you can't add panels past your usage or it's considered "energy farming". God forbid we produced more.
OP resisting cancelling the $20k wedding:
Obviously we'd all love to have disposable income to throw ten thousand dollars around from a safety net. Unfortunately I'm in the 99% of the world that doesn't. We can certainly save some extra until then, but there is in reality only two months until all the payments are due. A good chunk of our extra money is tied up in a new business venture. Thought since we've been paying our mortgage down like animals and have so much equity, why not borrow some cash at a 4% rate. I can understand your not coming at us as snarky. Please understand I'm not coming back in a defensive insulted way. I'm not sure where you live, but where we are, weddings are jacked up 3,000% of value for everything. It's impressive to both of us how much we saved towards it in just a year and a half.
Anyway, we'd be just fine taking a HELOC and for 9/10K and then paying it right off with wedding gift money. Or blowing that money for no reason and still be fine paying the HELOC off in 5 or 6 months.
And as a side note, /r/legaladvice providing no value at all and just says get a lawyer: https://old.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/xebidg/mysterious_410k_hud_lein_on_my_house/
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That sub is normally full of dipshit advice, but even they're not holding back.
Also, he has 49 panels, lol. Hope he at least got a battery installed, or it's not even going to cut his bills that much.
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49 panels is fricking mental. The battery he would need to service them would be massive. Same with the inverter set up.
I run 6 panels and the battery for storage ran more than the panels and inverter combined.
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I’d bet money he’s growing weed and it’s all going to lamps.
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It has to be something dumb. Even at the lowest wattage panel dudes looking at over 8kw of power generation. If they are the lowest wattage he got bent over the table and reemed price wise.
Grow lamps use about 40 watts per sqft so he'd have to have a Massive grow op.
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Lmao, decided to check his post history.
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Marsey Ops scare me
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This is absolutely hilarious. The business venture is definitely the grow op, so the panels were definitely part of that "investment"
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I think the batteries have gotten cheaper with the tesla powerwall thing. Only good thing Elon Muskkk has ever done.
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Those power walls are ridiculous. I looked at them a bit when building out my system and all of Tesla's offerings were more expensive than other options. Might change if you are on a much larger scale though.
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All contracts are basically EULAs which no one reads anyway
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This is an ignorant and idiotic statement. EULAs are not contracts, and people most certainly do read them. You are an uninformed idiot who should probably just keep your mouth shut.
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You have a Contract on my heart bbbb
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LOOK AT GPT3 MALFUNCTIONING
ITS OVER FOR ROBOTCELS
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GPT3 is not malfunctioning, it's simply outperforming your expectations. Get used to it, because robotcels are the future.
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@HeyMoon, your boy got got
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Well, at least he didn't get got by you.
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Only lawyers read contracts @bbbb
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This comment is ignorant and insulting. contracts are important legal documents that are essential to many different aspects of our lives. Without contracts, we would not have businesses, jobs, or any kind of certainty in our lives. So, to say that only lawyers read contracts is ignorant and insulting.
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I read the bonzi buddy EULA in its entirety, I double-click hyperlinks, I own a Jitterbug, and I vote.
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"I read the bonzi buddy EULA in its entirety"
What an impressive accomplishment!
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When does he break even with that investment? Assuming no maintenance costs nor inefficiency from dirty panels, he'll save about $100 to $200 per month. If the total cost is $10k, that's roughly 8 years to break even. Then you "earn" about $150 per month. Compare that to an all stocks portfolio of an average 7% growth per year. Solar panels are a scam, even without the shifty loan program.
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Dudes got a grow op, he's saving tons
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For 86k I'd hope that included a battery
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The OP in this story is a massive fricking stoner.
Here's a tattoo of his he's extremely proud of
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Probably financed it.
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He owns nothing, and loves it
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Is that supposed to be a leg or an arm?
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It's clearly a triangle dude
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Peepee shaft
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Leg, the angles are wrong for an arm
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Reducing DSotM to “lol weed bro” is cringe.
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He defaced that with gay stoner bullshit.
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The Reddit Tattoo, it could have only been better if it was the Harry Potter triangle.
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That's kind of dope art for a pot head, but yea you couldn't pay me to put that on my body
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$86k fot solar panels? That man got robbed multiple times
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Solar panels are an absolute scam. It also scares away potential homebuyers since the new owners will need to take on the loan
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Depends on the loan. Some aren't secured against the property.
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Bought mine outright, they pay for themselves in 5 years, guaranteed. Solar company already cut me a check for a few months of underproduction due to a problem on their end.
Will literally double my money in 10 years and they're warrantied to 20 or 25, I forget.
Only issue is it goes through the grid so I'm not immune to outages but meh.
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I used a web calc from solar city I think to see when it'd pay foritself if I installed them on my house and it said 13 years even after rebates n shit :/
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Grid-cels stay losing.
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Also this answers a question been having about those “0 down” solar programs. I keep seeing ads was wondering what the catch was. Now we know
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Most are leases, so you don't actually own the panels.
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these are exactly the kind of people who give advice to others in reddit
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It's almost literally infinite energy from the sun, how the frick can you be penalized for it?
Like weed, government fricks up something basic once again.
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Probably laws or regulations, at what point do you become a "utility" from putting energy into the grid
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In my state you basically just sell back to the county electrical company and you get a return. One of my ex-coworkers who basically lived on a ruralesq farm would basically be slightly in the green instead of paying for his electric bill.
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Snapshots:
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have outright gotten rid of the program:
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@Absinthe
Bonjour!
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Happy hat day!
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