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Why the most widely :marseyfsjal: anticipated recession :marseychartdowntrend:in history never came :marseycumplosion:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-the-most-widely-anticipated-recession-in-history-never-came-155724207.html

There is no recession :soyjakanimeglasses:

https://www.cnbc.com/select/us-credit-card-debt-hits-all-time-high

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/27/us-personal-savings-rate-falls-near-record-low-as-consumers-spend.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homes-for-sale-affordable-housing-prices

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Dont believe your lying eyes :soyreddit:, its not a recession if we dont call it one

>In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy.~George Orwell, :marsey1984:

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ahh yes the economic experts of rdrama!

it's like reading 2012 reddit with "MUH DEBT!"

you have no clue about what any of this means. Literally, using debt as leverage for a government is fricking smart. the alternative is to raise taxes like crazy.... it is NOT a "future problem" with having debt as a soverign.

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Literally, using debt as leverage for a government is fricking smart.

Kick the can! Kick the can!

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you have no clue about what any of this means

Maybe, maybe not. Butt what you just said makes me doubt you do.

Literally, using debt as leverage for a government is fricking smart

until its not. Just ask cyprus, zimbabwe, or mylasia. You convey your thoughts like a dolt.

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Okay how about countries that are super powers with hundreds of military bases in other countries and a currency that is used between nations and corporations all around the world?

You know like a currency that if it tanked would frick over everyone and not just the nation that issues it.

What's their track record with debt?

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countries that are super powers with hundreds of military bases in other countries

the USSR had a lot going for it until it didnt

You know like a currency that if it tanked would frick over everyone and not just the nation that issues it.

Huh, is that the system that's been inexistence for only fifty years? The fiat fiscal system that abandoned the gold standard and has no intrinsic value backing it? I guess we're also supposed to believe that that will not only remain stable, butt certainly wont be commandeered by multinational interests that want to enslave us all.

It also amazes me how you zeroed in on the debt thing and jot the other metrics I pointed too. I guess the national debt thing is only a huge deal in your mind when its about to shut down the government, and maybe not even then. Butt you cant look around and tell me that everything isnt more expensive and that average wages arent being outpaced by inflation. Groceries, housing, and gas all cost more and the average person is taking on more personald ddbt to pay for it as their wages arent rising at the same pace.

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:#marseycheerup:

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The debt ceiling just got 10ft higher! :marseytrump:

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It's just kicking the can down the road. Also, they gotta tax more, reduce spending, or :marseyemojirofl: borrow more to pay off the interest. They can also hose creditors by inflating the currency and paying off debt with less valuable money. :marseywholesome:

None of these are good in the long-run, but voters and politicians don't care about that, so :marseyletsgo:.

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until its not. Just ask cyprus, zimbabwe, or mylasia. You convey your thoughts like a dolt.

wjat the frick

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wjat the frick

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That is not how leverage works

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it is EXACTLY how fricking leverage works. 2023 has even brought the age of LEVERAGED BUY OUTS of fricking companies lmao

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The way the banking system works, much of the debt goes to bank reserves and increases the money supply (thus inflation). This is not really borrowing so much as just printing digital money except the gov still pays banks interest.

Leverage increases returns and risk for the equity holders by taking on debt which must be paid first, but at a lower rate.

What returns is the government achieving by handing everyone checks during covid?

If you're only arguing against the alternative of taxation, the point of not borrowing is it keeps the budget in check. The gov is not borrowing because "levering is efficient for returns".

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increases the money supply

BANKS DO NOT INCREASE THE MONEY SUPPLY

Leverage increases returns and risk for the equity holders by taking on debt which must be paid first, but at a lower rate.

not necessarily

What returns is the government achieving by handing everyone checks during covid?

US covid response is not based on debt

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BANKS DO NOT INCREASE THE MONEY SUPPLY

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>talks about central banks

how fricking r-slurred are you?

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I genuinely believe this isn't a troll, you're just actually r-slurred.

Read again and tell me about the central bank's reserve ratio, because this is the first time I've heard of it.

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a bank does double entry bookkeeping u slur, it does not increase money supply. Have it trades assets for their current value with assets for their future value. The leverage off of liabilities does not increase the money supply

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Think about how rslurred you are and then imagine less than that.

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There was this great X post about how vast majority of economists last year thought odds of a soft landing were <10% and yet the Fed actually did it!

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