Jordan, 31, Houston TX
Personal Life/Career:
What does he do? timestamp
3 Jobs
Full time Software Engineer (Govt Agency)
- $119'000
Computer Science Instructor at a Community College
$44 an hour
around 2'500 a month?
Year round classes
Computer Science Instructor at some company?
10 weeks long, once a week, 4 and a half hours weekly
$95 an hour
Seasonal
Career path timestamp
coding boot camp from 2021
Worked at Coinbase for 9 months but left in 2022 when they didn't convert contract to hire
- 1 year unemployed - was also working at community colleges part time teaching prisoners to code?
Govt job started in January
Suffers from 'anxiety' timestmap
Was an agoraphobe for a year 'could not leave [his] house'
- Pre-coinbase
Caleb mentions that he also has this meme disease
Financials:
Self Scored 1/10 timestamp
Lifestyle Inflation timestamp
He has not heard of this term before
He flew in from Houston ($350 plane ticket)
Justification for flying timestamp
280'000 Honda CRV probabaly wouldn't have made it there
Thinks Food is his main spending timestamp
- He is right and it's not even close
Credit Card 1 (Bank of America) ($12'911) timestamp
$13'052 - $423 payments + $0 new purchases + $282 interest ==> $12'911 new balance
785 credit available
408 minimum due next month
Maxed out all his cards after losing coinbase job, decided to go traveling on credit
Credit Card 2 (Chase Freedom) (2'082) timestamp
Almost entirely eating out
$2'486 - $2'486 payments + $2'060 new transactions + $22 interest ==> $2'082
Some credit cards he pays off every month - he doesn't pay off the Discover and BoA
Credit Card 3 (Discover) ($1'576) timestamp
301 interest accrued
no new transactions
Does he budget? timestamp
No
He used to but said "frick it"
Credit Card 4 (Discover) (10'647) timestamp
$13'346 - $3'000 payments + $3000 interest ==> $10'647
$322 minimum payment
A few apple bills
Credit Card 5 (American Express Blue) ($932) timestamp
$40 minimum payment
mostly grocery stores
Paying for hinge premium and not actually using the app
Caleb seething over his own dating failures
Credit Card 6 (Krogers)
- This one's paid off and irrelevant
Loan from Parents ($6'000) timestamp
Parents do not know just how much he is spending
While he was unemployed, hasn't paid anything back to them
Loan from Friend ($4'000) timestamp
- This was money he used for Europe trip/world cup stuff?
$260 on Google Ads timestamp
Monthly
His ex-gf left him for another man
LONG story about his ex's friend's mom owning a pharmacy, going to jail for fraud, the ex paid millions for a pharmacy he thinks is worth a hudnred thousand?
She's in debt for 3 million???????
he decides to make her a website and pay for her google ads
"my friend's like don't be a simp blah blah blah"
"She refuses to talk to me" :marseywtf;
They were on and off for ten years
$1400 a month strip club habit tiemstamp
March or April of this year
went to a strip club in the middle of the day and fricked a stripper at the club?
- Later explains that this was $700 timestamp
Buys stuff for the jail students when he hits the grocery store timestamp
Caleb gets into the online dating blackpill timestamp
Manlets btfo
This worm is 6 foot 4
Federal Student Loans ($52'939) timestamp
No money currently owed
Govt Agency he works for might pay all of this if he sticks around for 3 years?
State of Texas loan ($13'000) timestamp
Lots of late payments
He had initially thought that the federal deferrment applied to state loans
$208 minimum payment
Private Loans ($31'146) timestmap
Bachelor's in Biochem and "Biophysical sciences"
"I was a bad student and I was lost I didn't know what the frick I wanted to do so I ended up staying in school for like 6 years"
Had to get private loans because he was on academic probation
interned at some labs and didn't like the biomed researcher thing
$376 minimum payment
5.54% interest rate
refinanced form an initial 10% sally may loan
About to a have a $10'000 operation timestamp
Cosmetic surgery
Hair transplant
In-depth discussion of balding prevention
Worm does not want to
How is he going to pay for this? timestamp
- "So I just got approved for an American Express card"
- "So I just got approved for an American Express card"
"I know it doesn't make sense but I'm gonna do it anyways"
things in the pipepline to help him timestamp
- Another teaching job at some higher end uni (110 an hour)
Cosmetic surgery is next week
Spending numbers tiemstamp
Weird $1700 zelle/1400 atm withdrawal
- doesn't know what these were
Show ends early because there's no point in a budget
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consultants make bang bucks though
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Not in this industry. Consultants typically make 25-50% of what you'd make as a full time software engineer, and you don't get any of the perks.
There are some exceptions of course, but as a rule life is way better as a full time engineer than as a consultant.
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r u srs?? not here at least I have heard IT consultans earn creazy but maybe ur codecels r just high in the get go
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My starting comp right out of uni was ~185k, and that was a few years ago. It's more than doubled since then with promotions, etc. As an intern I was making like 45 an hour + a few thousand per month as a housing stipend.
I'm not really in touch with how much contractors get paid, but I think it's well under 200k. Sounds like this dude was making low 6 figures at coinbase, which seems about right to me. I'd guess a typical SWE compensation package at coinbase would be like 350-400k.
It depends case by case though. I've worked with some super talented contractors who just prefer that model. One guy we wanted to hire in a position that typically pays like 1 mil + and he turned it down in favor of a contract. No idea what he gets paid though.
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holy moly how have u not been outsourced to India yet++??
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Oh man, they are trying lmao. They fricking hate how much we cost. My last project got offshored but they found a new thing for us to work on. Working with teams in India is the fricking worst though, their work culture is awful.
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tell me about their culture
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What I've found is that they don't really care about anything except meeting ridiculous timelines at the expense of quality, work life balance, etc. They work insane hours, ship shit code, don't test properly, and so on. You'll see them online at like 1 am IST and then again at 7 am IST. For some reason leadership there makes ridiculous promises and then works their teams to the bone trying to meet them. I've had someone send me a massive chain of 20 changes for review and I've had to tell them that the first one was bad and they needed to rewrite the entire thing, which was not well received.
Anyway, with all the stress they are under, they can be mega buttholes about things like asking for code quality improvements or design revisions. I can't really blame them though, I would be too if I had to work like that.
All the Indians I've worked with stateside have been awesome though, it's definitely a leadership culture issue.
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but why do you care about that? Can't you just use AI to like fix or change their code? or test it?
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I work with a lot of them in a much lower paid role than
@lfyca. Some of them are really good but the ones that aren't usually have these issues
1. Objections or questions during a planning phase don't happen. "Can you do [thing]" will always get a yes.
2. "Perfect is the enemy of the good" taken to the extreme. They will try to ship things as long as they are passable regardless of underlying issues.
3. Weird powerplay things that are either more common or more apparent than other managers
Almost everything else is just the consequences of point 1.
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Yeah that's absolutely my experience as well. Someone told me once that they have a strong culture of really wanting to make leadership happy and just saying yes to everything and sorting the details out later.
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Cause IT contracting is the norm. For codecels, contractors are meant to be second class employees doing second class work.
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