San Francisco approves $700-a-month sleeping pods in former bank.
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On the street
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wherever i want to?
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People will do literally anything rather than build loads of new apartment buildings.
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or have mixed zoning where housing is built above shopping centers and other businesses. A lot of localities disallow mixed use building like that and its dumb
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does that make the housing cheaper or something? or more expensive because it's now closer to the HUSTLE AND BUSTLE
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Cheaper. Only poors live like that
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it makes housing generally cheapwr, while those places will still be higher in price compared to places fuethwr away from the hustle and bustle. The idea is to increase housing access overall which drives down prices overall and it makes the roads less congested since less people have to travel from places zoned only for housing to places zoned only for commercial use. !slots200
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I get that the concept is based off of Supply and Demand. But when new developers build new housing, they do a locality analysis based on the ZIP code and other local prices and just set the price as the same as what everything else is.
At best continually building new housing forestalls rises in cost, but I have big X doubts that housing prices suddenly fall simply because there are more apartments to rent.
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It doesn't but urbanoids and YIMBY's will never hear that.
The thing with "muh basic supply and demand" is that the demand is almost infinite. People are very mobile nowadays, they don't have to live by the mine or the field, their skills can be utilized in more than one industry, even high school educated people (outside the US) speak multiple languages etc.
That means the second the prices drop, people from all around the world can and will move in and prices are right back again. You can expand NYC to 30 million homes/apartments and there'd still be people willing to drop 2m for tiny apartment to live there.
Just like goomers will always buy the latest terrible vidya despite decades worth of backlog, just like gooners will pay big bucks for mid foids OnlyFans where she doesn't even do anal instead of googling big tits and browsing the 8 billion results, hustle and bustlers will always pay top money for their hecking food/escape rooms/bike lanes. No amount of supply can stop them.
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demand is not almost infinite. And not everywhwre is NYC(which already does mixed zoning like im talking about). Im talking about places that dont do it at all and there is alot of wasted space and uneeded comgesrion. Also youre gooner rant is even less a sensical comparison.
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when there's too many empty units bc the prices are too high the prices will fall. No economic changes happen over night and also prices falling doesnt neccessarily mean they go down.
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Yeah but you do have to police petty crime. If not it will be the same or worse than without it
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thats true regardless of the zoning laws
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Blame the ADA and modern safety codes. I cannot stress enough how much they add on to building costs for no benefit. Building affordable apartments is a dream. Were it not for the dense housing stock of a century ago, housing stock that is illegal to replicate today, American cities would utterly collapse.
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In 50 years when Amazon catapults your packages across continents you literally won't have an excuse to not live in a stowed away gooncave in the Appalachian Mountains.
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How much do you estimate they add to the cost of a building, percentage-wise?
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i live in a newer single family home and it's full of ramps, automatic doors, braille, and elevators. i cannot get contractors to remove them as that breaks ADA guidelines. it's like cookie banners and opt out modals but for buildings.
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I don't believe you.
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it's honestly a nightmare, i don't care anymore how much it improves the resale value. don't get me started on the airport style moving walk down our main hallway, i cannot find where they put the power to the speakers so i can't stop the 80+ decibel "watch your step as you exit the moving walk" warning that plays every 15 seconds.
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Reads like a green text
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If we just said f it you can start building NYC walkups and Chicago courtyard apartments to 1900 safety standards using modern materials, I'd say anywhere between 40-60% reduction in cost. And don't tell me these buildings would inherently be death traps. If they were the city wouldn't let people live in them today, but they do. Japan's at the extreme end in terms of allowing densely packed structures. Even accounting for rigorous earthquake reinforcement and high base land price, new apartment construction in Tokyo is around $180 per sq ft while the USA sits somewhere closer to $350. Chalk that up to builders having to devote more money to non-revenue spaces (corridor halls and multiple interior staircases).
The ADA also is at play here. Go into a newly built apartment bathroom in Europe or Asia and they'll feel tiny by comparison. This is because the ADA requires a certain number of units to have bathrooms be built large enough for someone in a large wheelchair to fully spin and maneuver within it, so builders have to devote that much more space. And once you make one unit with a larger bathroom, because of how structural walls work, you're going to make them all this large.
Elevators are another great example.. Read that if you want to rage about rent seeking, unions, and building codes. They're about three times as much here as anywhere else in the developed world because of these codes. Euros can have a box for one or two standing people. Burgers have to be able to fit two standing paramedics and someone on a stretcher. Legitimately that's what the standard requires. And then the little things. Gone are the days in the past when you could get away with your elevator having an emergency call button or a phone. Now the code requires they be built with two-way audio and video screens because we don't want someone who is mute and deaf to be unable to actively communicate that they are stuck, despite the old system of simply pressing the emergency button over and over again until someone shows up being perfectly fine, adding an extra $5,000 per elevator plus maintenance. Sum all these tiny code requirements leads to a whole bundle of woe.
A last thing that I'm not even seeing anyone begin to address is that the way we're trying to fix the housing crisis is going to make things worse. The codes favor wood-framed cheap structures and that's what activists are lobbying for. The issue is that these things are so terribly built that they'll have to come down in a few decades anyway. If all buildings have a thirty year lifespan we can increase housing stock for 30 years, but after that we would spend all of our efforts simply replacing existing buildings. A solid brick and stone structure, something the codes dislike, might cost 2x in up-front costs, but when then can easily last for centuries with you spend much less resources in the long term.
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If eurocucks have to go between floors in a coffin, FRICK THAT give me the burger codes. Restrooms should be spacious. I bet you approve of this pod housing concept.
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Meh, being disabled is shit enough, I figure it's a good enough price to pay. Plus we all get older and we all might into a bad accident some day so at this point, it's practically insurance.
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God thank you for making my life one where I live in a house I own
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SF has tons of that, they're pretry neat.
The problem is zoning outside the business center - If I'm not mistaken, the cap is three stories everywhere outside of that.
This is the exact reason a housing shortage exists in SF. The Bay Area mogs all other NIMBYs.
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I can get people not wanting to build houses on undeveloped place because of "muh trees," but this is just mind-boggling.
Tearing down this bank can get you a much better deal by turning it into a proper apartment complex. Why don't they just do it? It's not like they are losing green spaces.
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implying they could get permits and/or funding for new construction of apartments
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What a pathetic excuse of a city.
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They vote blu, they get blu results
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I thought team blue was down with affordable housing and what not
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I didn't say blu intentions did I?
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At that point just go to a homeless shelter, they have free food there too
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What's there to "approve"? If someone wants to pay someone money for a pod that's his choice, if he wants to spend money on something better that's also his choice. Why the frick should guvernment be involved in this.
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Trying to get any construction or property adjustments done in SF is an unironic nightmare, quite possibly one of the worst places in the US to try to do so due to its archaic and byzantine commissions and codes.
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Its going to be a poorly maintained r*pe fest where a bunch of hard-working Americans will beat and abuse everyone until its only one group of hard-working Americans
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I could be part of that for only $700/mo? What the frick, what a fantastic deal
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Also imagine the smell
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Smells like AI and innovation.
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That was my first thought. You let rip a wet one in the middle of the night and everyone in a 10ft radius will hear and smell it
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They would hear mine throughout the whole hall
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Bedbugs too...
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I've got a genius trolling idea as soon as I figure out how to acquire bedbugs and how to transfer them to the target location without ending up with an infestation myself.
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Don't let your dreams be dreams https://www.cheapbedbugs.com/
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Every business that employees minwagies should install these and charge their workers to rent them.
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Neo feudalism sounds like a hecking cool idea... Imagine building a tower that's divided into apartments for the wagies, and the work places
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I still have not found someone who can explain in a way that makes sense, how it's bad for there to be an apartment tower over top of the walmart where the walwagies work. The best argument against is that you lose your house and job the same day but that only applies if they structure it that way. Give people a 6 month 'frick out of my apartment building' clause if they get fired or quit, bango your problem is solved
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also make them take out a loan foe the security deposit and charge them exorbitant i terest
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jesus christ $700 for a cot in a box? this can't be real. it just can't.
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Back when i was a rentoid i had a 2 bdrm with utilities included for less than that
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Looks cozy
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Pod, Japan:
Pod, Hustle 'n Bustle:
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Japs at least have a wageslave culture of wageslaves actually doing their jobs and cleaning so its okay.
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You need more than a sheet for that lol. You need an actual fricking door
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You found these in my post they are legally mine.
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Looks like you got some too
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Wow that actually worked.
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Aye
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Adding door would probably violate fire code
Current hyperfixation:
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they should build smth like kowloon walled city but flexible jointed beams in X and V shapes and it should be a giant donut with hexangonal extrusions in and out of the perimeter with tons of emergency escape ziplines on every outer corner
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the euthanasia chambers somehow look more depressing than I had imagined.
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I once had a nightmare I lived in something like this but I only paid $80 a month and there was something more solid than a curtain used as a door
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