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Young AfD politician convicted after publishing gang r*pe statistics in connection with Afghan migration

A member of Germany's right-wing Alternative for Germany (AfD) party has had her conviction for incitement to hatred upheld on appeal, after using official statistics to warn that Afghan immigrants are disproportionately liable to commit sexual violence against women and girls.

The crime committed by Rotenburg AfD leader Marie-Thérèse Kaiser was to respond publicly to news that Afghan migrant workers would be relocated to Hamburg by citing figures which she claims show Afghani males are disproportionately involved in the perpetration of serious sexual offences in Germany.

The original offence took place in August 2021, a few weeks before the country took to the ballot box for federal elections and state elections in Berlin and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, when Kaiser wrote on social media: “Afghanistan refugees; Hamburg SPD mayor for ‘unbureaucratic' admission; Welcoming culture for gang r*pe?” The 27-year-old politician went on to warn about the threat posed to women by “culturally alien masses”.

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Her post was in reference to an interview with pro-migration Social Democratic Party politician and Hamburg Mayor Peter Tschentscher, who had been campaigning for the rescue of Afghan local workers threatened by the Taliban, and announced that he would take in 200 Bundeswehr helpers in Hamburg. Tschentscher also boasted on social media about how Hamburg “was the first federal state to offer to immediately and unbureaucratically take in 200 rescued people.”

In 2023, there were 419,000 Afghans residing in Germany, 380,425 of whom were Afghan citizens. At the end of 2013, and seven years prior to the Taliban takeover of the country — the total number of Afghans in Germany stood at just under 67,000.

Kaiser justified her concern about uncontrolled immigration by referring to a series of newspaper articles that cited official government statistics showing Afghans are disproportionately involved in the perpetration of sexual crimes in Germany.

Figures released by the Federal Criminal Police Office of Germany (BKA) in 2022 revealed that a total of 677 gang r*pes were recorded in 2021, up from 300 in 2018. Although non-German citizens comprise just 13.7 per cent of the country's total population, they were suspects in exactly half of those cases.

Nationals from Turkey, Afghanistan, and Syria were the most commonly represented among alleged sexual offenders, according to the government, which cited figures from the Federal Statistical Office of Germany.

A separate report from the BKA earlier that same year also indicated that from 2009 to 2020 the proportion of non-German suspects in group sexual assault cases grew from 29.55 per cent to 41.18 per cent, while recorded cases of sexual assault jumped from 35 per cent to 50 per cent.

This used to be the sort of thing politicians on the left would relish. An opportunity for a fractious exchange over views they found distasteful, beyond the pale, egregious. A(nother) chance to grind their political foes into the dust. All part of the rough and tumble of democratic politics, they'd say, deftly feinting with a bombastic metaphor or two before then immediately throwing a huge overhand left of a counter statistic over the top of their interlocutor's momentarily lowered guard.

What we got instead, of course, is a protracted court case.

In a first-instance judgment from June 2023, the Rotenburg District Court concluded that Kaiser had taken the information quoted in the text of the articles out of context, and any reasonable person would therefore perceive her post to be inciting hatred.

Following that verdict, she was ordered to pay 100 “day fines” (a type of fine used under the country's criminal code in which the fine for an offense is set according to the perpetrator's financial circumstances and the nature of the offence), plus a fine of €60, totalling $6,000. In Germany, a person is considered to have a criminal record if they are sentenced to pay more than 90-day fines.

The AfD politician was defiant during the appeal process, writing on X before the most recent verdict: “Simply naming numbers, dates and facts is to be declared a criminal offense, just because the establishment does not want to face reality. I will not allow myself to be silenced,” she wrote.

However, at the Verden regional court in Lower Saxony earlier this week, Judge Halbfas confirmed the district court's original judgment. Kaiser was also found guilty in the appeal hearing of inciting hatred against Afghan local workers. “Anyone who attacks human dignity cannot invoke freedom of expression,” Halbfas said.

The case has sparked international attention, with major X accounts reacting to the news of the conviction, including X's owner, Elon Musk, with at least two of the posts generating over 40 million views.

“Are you saying the penalty was imposed for repeating accurate government statistics? Was there anything wrong with what she said?'”, he asked, incredulously.

Reacting to an FSU post about Kaiser's case, Jordan Peterson responded: “Remember when the Venezuelan government made it illegal for physicians to report death by starvation? I do.”

One of the more remarkable aspects to Kaiser's appeal hearing was her defence team's attempt to call the SDP's Nancy Faeser to the witness stand, on the basis that the Federal Interior Minister's testimony would prove that increasing migration has led to more crimes.

Whatever else we can say about Ms Kaiser, she certainly has a sense of humour.

It's true that last month Faeser was the minister who presented Germany's Federal Criminal Police Office's annual crime statistics report. It's also true that the data contained therein make for grim, deeply dispiriting reading: violent crime has climbed to its highest level since 2009, the number of foreign suspects of violent crimes has increased by 14.4 per cent compared to 2022, and the overwhelming majority of victims of all crimes, 75 per cent, are now German citizens.

Set against that, however, is the fact Faeser — “a 20-minute egg”, to borrow from P.G. Wodehouse, if ever there was — could hardly be described as an AfD fan girl.

Earlier this year, she announced a raft of measures she described as “instruments of rule of law to protect our democracy,” but that critics fear will chill free expression while serving the ulterior motive of reigning in the AfD's growing popularity in the run up to next year's German federal election.

One such measure is to freeze the bank accounts of those found to have donated money to any group the government declares to be “far-right.”

“No one who donates to a right-wing extremist party should remain undetected,” she explained, adding: “Those who mock the state must deal with a strong state.”

Faeser was worryingly vague as to how this politically motivated financial censorship will work in practice, whether Germany's left-leaning tripartite coalition government will get to decide on that definition, and what penalties will be directed at those who donate to right-wing parties or organisations. Germany's domestic intelligence agency, the Office of the Protection of the Constitution (BfV) would, she said, handle the specifics.

The minister also urged the German Bundestag to “pass the law quickly” in order to “combat hate on the internet … remove enemies of the constitution from public service [and] disarm right-wing extremists.”

Sadly, we were denied the opportunity of watching an apoplectic Nancy Faeser force from between gritted teeth statistics that would undoubtedly have suited the case for the defence by Judge Halbfas, who ruled it was irrelevant for the appeal assessment whether posts formulated in an inciting manner referred to actual facts or not.

After the verdict, Kaiser announced her intention to appeal and expressed dismay over the verdict. “My trust in the German rule of law was once again severely shaken yesterday,” she said, “but all the letters give me courage and confidence.”


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>Although non-German citizens comprise just 13.7 per cent of the country's total population, they were suspects in exactly half of those cases.

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:marseysoy#point2:

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!nooticers they're younger too

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Half the population under 45 is from migrant origin in Germany? I can't believe that.

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Between 1/4 and a 1/3, the base of the pyramid shows total numbers. So at 0-1 years is 400k ethnic germans and about 300k with foreign background.

Remember the TFR of germany fell under 1.5 50 years ago

Also most foreigners are eastern europeans, so they don't stand out like middle easterners

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That's fricking dire.

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It's what they wanted.

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That's not fair, it's not like they have any control over their government.

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Germoids are the worst excuse for humans ever. They love nothing more than being crabs in a bucket. They enjoy selling each other out to the state for having hatethought about immigrant male feminists. The Soviets didn't need to teach them anything to get them to willingly purge the enemies of the state. The same people who did it for Hitler were gladly betraying their neighbors for the communists. This is just yet another order that lets the Germans happily destroy themselves. Good riddance.

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Scandis have the same stazi personality ime

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@JimieWhales Get him!

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It keeps popping up. Almost like it's a widely applicable stat.

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The Golden Ratio of crime stats.

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Pareto Principle- Chud version

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!nooticers Nooticing is a crime in Germany :#marseynooticeglow:

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Death to shitlibs

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Death to G*rmans in general

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Especially the :#marseymerchantfoid:s

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Why should miss germany @sandkwinn die? :marseythonk:

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antisemitism has gotten out of control :smh:

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Thank you for stepping in the fight against anti-Semitism :marseyheart:

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@UraniumDonGER Es ist vorbei :marseyitsover:

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!germs :marseyconfused: Ich werde ein Harem bilden, keine Ahnung was du meinst :marseyclueless:

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What's even the end game in all of this for liberals?

Progressives are true believers that hate white people and want to replace them with BIPOC even if they're all male feminists, but what are liberals hoping to gain from letting in a bunch of muzzies that hate literally everything they stand for?

Are they really willing to destroy all the progress they made for women and LGB rights and safety just so they can show all the rest of their liberal buddies how not bigoted they are?

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They just hate themselves and think white people are evil. Nonwhites get infinite charity and every bad thing they do is probably indirectly white people's faults. That's basically all there is to it

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They also have a habit of splitting things into pairs of opposites. Look at how shocked they are that the Muslims they demanded be let in are opposing things like LBGT now that they have the numbers to change things. Their entire thought process was:

Christians are my opposite -> Christians and Muslims hate each other, so they're opposites -> Therefore, Muslims share our viewpoints.

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Many of them don't think they're throwing away progress, because they're stupid enough to believe that, yes, it's all whiteys fault. Everything is whitey's fault, even that non-whiteys act in non-progressive ways. Because they also are stupid enough to believe all oppressed people are on the same side, no matter the axis they're oppressed on.

The constant joke is to point out how racist progs are, because it's true. They can't understand that these other people, with their strongly held religious beliefs and conservative cultures, aren't just progressives-in-waiting who will be good fellow soldiers in the fight against white supremacy. They truly don't understand other people, which is why there's people who agree with them and then there's evil people.

The best thing to happen is to try and make sure they're on the very front lines of dealing with the consequences of their idiocy. Too many of them manage to offload the consequences onto everyone else.

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Yep. After you tear down white people, then you can start addressing crime and r*pe and all that. Priorities.

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White people could just adopt indigenous ways of conflict resolution, properly fund assistance programmes so that no one ever stole, and accept that prisons are racist and need to be mostly emptied. But they don't, because they're racist and evil.

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indigenous ways of conflict resolution

:marseydomesticabuse#:

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What's even the end game in all of this for liberals?

Own the cons. That's it. For years they've been open about wanting to import darkies because it makes people mad.

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Liberals:marseyretard2: just dont think about it. Their only concern is the short-term stability of the market. They are insulated from noticing and wrongthink by their protective stupidity. In their minds there is no past or future only today, they dont see a problem because they look out the window and the sun is shining. Even after they lose their nation they will think "I am a good person, nothing could have prevented this, my hands are clean".

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I do this and think this

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just picture the dumbest person in your econ class, that's pretty much your average reddit neoliberal poster.

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Are they really willing to destroy all the progress they made for women and LGB rights and safety just so they can show all the rest of their liberal buddies how not bigoted they are?

yes.

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For the germs you can easily consider their current original sin, the austrian painter, and the pendulum is swinging. Nothing could be worse than the source of their primeval guilt being vindicated of also having positive influence by undoing decades of r-slurred self flagellation :marseysmug2:

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They're doing it for the food trucks sweaty.

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Nooooo she wasn't actually prosecuted for citing the statistics. She was prosecuted for her opinion that based on these statistics it would wrong to bring in more of these people. Checkmate, chud. :brainletchest:


If you have to actively censor immigrant crime statistics under threat of imprisonment, something has gone TERRIBLY wrong. And we wonder why people are flocking to the fascists.

Surely it is the AfD who are the real fascists and not the ruling party that imprisons people for noooooticing. :marseyclueless:

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‘She took the words out of context'

Serious question, what was the context?

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There was a sexual emergency and due to the chud government cutting funding, there aren't enough sexual emergency services operators to keep up with call volume, because they're all taking chud false reports of crimes, r*pes, fires, heart attacks etc

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Talking about afghan immigrants into hamburg: some tweet like “an invitation to gang r*pe”

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Darn, the jannies just baleeted the post.

:#marseybongojanny:

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Do Europeans really think that if they were allowed to notice things they'd just go apeshit and turn into early 20th century racist warmongers? Like, what a pathetic lack of self-faith that displays. Is that what these people really think about themselves? That they have to make sure to avoid being exposed to even the temptation of being racist warmongers, and if they were exposed to the temptation they'd be unable to stop themselves? What a fricked up psychology.

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No they just hate rulebreaking and rudeness, and run to the authority to deal with shit for them.

Especially old people are fricked in the head, they love tattling to manager, calling cops, reporting things, burgers who think they have Karens who easily call the cops have no idea.

One thing these old witches are especially anal about is garbage. They love staring out their window and when they see someone who's not from their apartment complex throw trash into bins assigned to it, they complain. That's how we ended with locking bins that I need to carry an RFID tag for that doesn't even work 20% of the time, because old people were mad someone threw trash into "their" bins once in a while :marseybang:

Another anecdote that happened recently, after our PM got shot. Some people were wishing or hoping for him to die. Not even calling for more violence, just hoping the injuries will take him. Well they've received a visit from the cops for glorifying/celebrating terrorism or some shit and will be charged.

" :marseyclueless: So just like vote for the other party" yeah they want to clamp down on hate speech on valid cuties and other rainbow people instead, and prosecute people for social media posts in general. Then you have a conservative party that would like to deanonymize all social media and tied it to ID. Yeah and all ID's in EU countries have mandatory biometric data now, like fingerprints.

Sorry for the rant, I'll just end with bongess threatening to report some woman for playing a harp in the public :marseybow:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/woman-harp-harrow-council-video-b2547128.html

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Cultivate a culture that respects diverse expression, incel

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If only you could put that energy into your relationships

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They probably would tbf. These are europoors we're talking about.

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They would. Europeans are dumb as rocks

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>do you think Europeans would do things they historically did constantly?

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You can take the German out of the death camp but you can't take the death camp out of the German.

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I just wish we could take the G*rmans to the death camp :marseyzweigenocide:

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:#marseysoon:

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:marsey#inshallah:

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:marseysalutepride:

Total Germigger Transition

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Komplete Kraut Killing :marseyhomosupremacist:

Black trans lives matter to Jimie :puke2:

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:marseyghostangry: :marseyzwei:

Now this is spookkky shit

:marseyscared:

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Those foids were asking for it. Nd everyonen knows it

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Sure you know it's the law, but the point is you don't understand this law. This „we know it's the law, but it's a bad law“, is, with all due respect, the typical American tribal view on politics. Everything is either Republican or Democrat; Liberal or Illiberal; Good or Bad; everything is just black and white. No room for grey. Freedom of Speech absolutism is nonsense and non-existing. Nowhere in the World, not even in the U.S. But if you believe that Germany is somewhat of a police state where you can't speak out your mind, then you are just wrong. Germany has around 4,000 cases of Volksverhetzung a year. Not more; not less. Not even all of them go to trial; the majority doesn't. Most often is about Holocaust denial. But please tell me how an open society should allow literal Nazis to deny the Holocaust. How‘s that beneficial for society? My flair is Karl Popper for a reason. You should read on the Paradox of tolerance.

KILL NEOLIBS

BEHEAD NEOLIBS

ROUNDHOUSE KICK A NEOLIB INTO THE CONCRETE

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If I were a German, I would have become a terrorist a long time ago. :marseyxd:

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Based, that's the best cultural appreciation you could do :marseywholesome:

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Frost-eee

Things like this seem only to feed the right-wing paranoia

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Is it paranoia if it's happening thou?

Yes

Explodingcamel

I'm a racial minority and a lifelong dem and I would honestly rather vote for the bigot who's publishing racial crime stats than the “progressive” who wants to ban that … as long as the bigot actually supports free speech

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"rather vote for the bigot who's publishing racial crime stats"

The German state?

"than the “progressive” who wants to ban that"

You're out here saying you'd vote for fascists because you so easily fall for fake news.

Dear subhuman filth

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Migrant male feminists should be publicly hanged not coddled by the state. Demoralization and cruelty is the goal of allowing this insanity. What a shameful state of affairs :marseycry:

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If you think you hated Germans enough you were wrong

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I like how they all open with 'frick the afd, but...'

Really funny to see

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:#chudconcerned:

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While the conviction is still pretty wild by American standards, she didn't just quote government statistics. That characterization is enough to discredit the source.

A local official advocated for (or planned to, don't recall) bringing a few 100 Afghan employees of the German military due to risk of Taliban reprisals. She alleged that this amounted to a welcoming culture for gang r*pe. A distant cousin of Trump's famous remarks on the southern border, without the "some of them, I assume, are good people" addendum.

LOCK HIM UP :djtwanted:

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