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No debate: RFK Jr. is a threat to Democracy :soysnooseethe:

https://www.salon.com/2024/06/23/no-debate-rfk-jr-is-a-to-democracy/

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More than a year ago, as leading voices on opposite ends of the Democratic spectrum, we sounded the alarm that third-party candidates could once again hand the White House to Republicans. The candidacies of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Jill Stein have made that threat more real now than ever before.

Trump has attempted to muddy the waters by characterizing RFK Jr. as a “Democrat plant” and “a radical left liberal.” No one should be fooled by this desperate attempt to define RFK Jr. as a liberal, or even a Democrat. His policy stances read more like a resume to be Trump's running mate. He and third-party candidate, Jill Stein, are parroting views right out of the MAGA/Vladimir Putin playbook and yet, perhaps counterintuitively, they risk dividing the anti-Trump coalition and putting a convicted felon back in power.

Neither third-party candidate has any chance of winning the presidency. But, for a moment, let's put aside their lack of a path to 270 electoral votes and talk about their agendas.

RFK Jr. came to national prominence as a conspiracy monger and anti-vaxxer. Since then, he sounded even more like a MAGA radical: he has argued for a 15-week national abortion ban, declared that the government can do nothing to restrict gun violence, said climate change is a “pretext for clamping down totalitarian controls,” and proclaimed that Biden is a greater threat to U.S. democracy than Trump. He also released a YouTube video on the Ukraine war riddled with so much Russian propaganda and misinformation it took one journ*list almost 3,000 words of analysis to correct the record.

Stein has echoed similar MAGA sentiments, also arguing that the U.S. is at fault for Putin's war. She has a long history of touting Russian propaganda, and after dining in Moscow with Putin and Trump aide Michael Flynn, she received help from Russian election-meddlers during her 2016 run.

It's no coincidence that this time, Stein has directed her attacks exclusively at Democrats and Biden –– not Trump. She has lied about Biden's climate laws, lied about his expansion of the Affordable Care Act, lied about his immigration policy, and accused Democrats of being fascists posing a threat to democracy.

These are not the views of “radical left liberals.” Indeed, they are antithetical to Democratic values –– and the MAGA elite know it. Beyond a long list of MAGA endorsements, there are some eye-popping donations from Trump allies to these supposedly independent candidates. RFK Jr.'s super PAC, “American Values” 2024, got $25 million from Timothy Mellon, a MAGA financier who has also donated tens of millions to Trump.

There is a reason MAGA donors see bankrolling third-party candidates as money well spent: they know a strong third-party showing –– even from those spouting MAGA rhetoric –– is going to help Trump and hurt Biden.

Biden won previous third-party voters by 30 points in 2020. Young voters, moderates, and independents –– all top targets for the Stein and RFK Jr. campaigns –– backed Biden by double digits last cycle. Recent polling shows that a multi-candidate race this cycle could siphon off those exact voters. The national polls tracking Stein and RFK Jr.'s on their impact on the race remain fluid, but simple math shows that if a tiny percentage of these voters in the swing states back RFK Jr. and Stein this November, they could tip several battlegrounds from Biden back to Trump.

Simply put: There will be no President Kennedy or President Stein. But third-party candidates could determine who holds the White House. That happened in 2000 and in 2016, and the data and evidence suggest it could happen again in 2024.

MoveOn and Third Way represent different views about the future of the Democratic Party, but we share a common goal: protecting our democracy and fundamental freedoms by ensuring Donald Trump is defeated.

Democrats failed to take the third party threat seriously in 2000 and 2016, and they cannot make the same mistake again in 2024. RFK Jr. and Stein are on the Red Team, and a vote for either could help Trump retake power and destroy our most sacred institutions. We have to sound the alarm now.

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Republicans are a threat to democracy.

Third parties are a threat to democracy.

How can you have so little self-awareness to not think that maybe you're the bad guy?

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They're called the Democrat party idiot. Obviously anyone else would be a threat to Democracy :marseyindignant:

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I love it when the heckin good guys are helpfully labeled The Heckin Good Guy Squad. It makes it so easy to know who is on the right side of history! Just like in my favorite Marbel movies! :marseydisney:

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incest porn is ETHICAL and i'm tired of chuds saying otherwise! :marseyindignantturn:

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It would in fact be anti-semitic to say otherwise, chud.

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:marseyfacepalm: so obvious

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My favorite part is the “no debate.” Like they already decided from the top-down that he's not acceptable.

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Debates are a Russian mind trick.

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he is not the Democratic candidate therefore he's against democracy and needs :marseyspecial: to be stopped

how many times do we need to explain there's the Democratic candidate and then the bad guys?

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our democracy*

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You got your account back!

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Having more than two parties and voting for any other party than the blue one is undemocratic, comrade :marseycomrade:

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Allowing citizens to vote for a candidate of their choosing is a threat to democracy :brainletbush:

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Your 'guns' are no march for What I got. Get out or leave your anti-gun bs at the door, besides had I not been an alcoholic and not gotten real sick years ago you wouldn't be bigger than me. I lost a lot of muscle mass and alcohol kills your desire to work out. I come from an athletic family both sides but I have been slacking. I am also someone who moved a lot and got into a lot of fights and won. In later years in my 20's I could still fight, but you ain't a mean butt brawler type. I have changed, I am now, I couldn't sleep and missed the morning service of church, a now sickly 200lbs or now a little less. I Should be built and 220lbs + and noticeably taller than the average guy not super tall but several inches taller and now I am getting older and have medical issues. Not hardly any fat on me, I have trouble eating and pancreas issues besides a messed up liver

I have fought guys, bigger, I ain't small and stopped lifting about 25-30 years ago. When I was younger and they were not as mean and couldn't throw a punch and I don't start shit. No problem, taking people and beating the shit outta of them.

I IRL, I am, as strange as it may sound very polite, friendly and likeable. Great sense of humor and very non aggressive, God took the fight outta me. However, I hate violence, but will be waiting with some sort of, as I like to say, semi automatic sporting rifle, many to choose from and handguns at the ready and on me, at home.

Besides you ain't supposed to be dead, and are well, a marshmallow, so I am old er, sick and I don't carry weapons in public at least not anymore. It is best that I don't.

Your big enough that you break in, I would just keep pumping rounds in your not so bad self either till the 40 rounder in my buddy Mikhail ran out or most likely till you were no longer a threat. A full auto version of my buddy Mikhail, will drop an elephant. Shooting them in the head. No machine guns, but many semi automatic military style weapons and a a number of handguns( all legally owned and registered) with extended magazines, for self defense.

I am just into home protection and waiting for America to collapse and I will be ready to defend my home and myself. I hope that scenario doesn't happen I don't want to hurt or kill anyone, but I will do what I have too.

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keep yourself safe

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Democracy must be protected from the results of popular elections! Ban third-party candidates NOW!

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Lefties: Europeans have so many more political parties and that makes them out the peoples interest first.

Also Lefties: Never vote outside of the democratic parties mainstream!

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Europeans have so many more political parties and that makes them out the peoples interest first.

That was always an r-slured argument because at the end Euro parties form coalitions. The Democratic Party and the GOP are basically coalitions with several internal movements

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Real democracy is when I go to the polls and flip a coin to figure out who I'm voting for :marseyindignant:

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Both sides of the coin have to be heads, otherwise it's a threat to Democracy.

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Where's the lie?

!neolibs daily reminder RFK Jr is a crackpot wacko and people only give him attention because of his family name.

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:marseysoypoint: He's a threat to democracy!

There's a threat too! :!marseysoypoint:

I've spotted another threat to our democracy! :directlypointingsoyjak:

:#marseygiganoyou:

We're surrounded on all sides! :!marseytinfoil2:

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I don't see how a politician with 0% chance of getting elected could be a threat to democracy.

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he's going :marseysal2: to steal :marseytrumpitsoverwereback: the votes of people who don't like our candidate!

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He's not a threat to Democracy, but I'm sick of hearing about him. His supporters are the most annoying old money types out there.

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:marseyhe#sright: The only good thing about him were the brainworm jokes.

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Where's the lie?

literally the title of the article.

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Being anti-vaccine is not anti-democracy.

That's an apples to oranges comparision

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Is the threat to democracy in the room with you right now?

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America always needs a LaRouche in the mix

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Kinda like Hunter :marseythinkorino:

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Yeah but so is Trump

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Do you understand how damaging to democracy it will be if someone were to not vote like me? That would be textbook fascism

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>third-party candidates could once again hand the White :marseypepsi: House :marseykiwivampire: to Republicans.

>also they're actively "MAGA/Putin"

so they're stealing :marseywatermark: the MAGA vote from Biden? amazing the doublethink where :marseydrama: he's both a nut who stands for everything bad and also needs :marseyspecial: to be kept out of the debate :marseyshapiro: at all costs because people will like him more

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Having more than one candidate to choose from is the greatest threat to Democracy

:#speechbubble:.

:#marseyreportercnn:

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You wouldn't really want to vote for anyone else but Dear Leader, so why should he allow someone else even to run?

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third-party candidates could once again hand the White House to Republicans.

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No one should be fooled by this desperate attempt to define RFK Jr. as a liberal, or even a Democrat. His policy stances read more like a resume to be Trump's running mate.

Pick ONE, stupid. If RFK Jr. is trying to sound like a right winger, he's going to take votes from the right wing party and you should be glad that he's running. It's why Republicans bankroll the Greens and Democrats bankroll the Libertarians and the Constitution Party.

Stein has echoed similar MAGA sentiments, also arguing that the U.S. is at fault for Putin's war.

rofl, you got outflanked from the left, try addressing that instead

That happened in 2000 and in 2016

Do 1992 and 1996 not count? Or are those okay?

If you can't find a way to appeal to both the center and your extreme wing, but your opponent can, then you will lose. Try not sucking, sweaty :marseychefkiss:

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if we win it's because democracy works, if we lose it's the fault of people voting :marseynatesilver: wrong :marseynoooticer:

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Has Trump given up on saying r-slurred things recently or is the left apathetic about him now? Trump's campaigning a lot and I haven't seen a deluge of articles bitching about something he's said.

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His policy stances read more like a resume to be Trump's running mate. He and third-party candidate, Jill Stein, are parroting views right out of the MAGA/Vladimir Putin playbook and yet, perhaps counterintuitively, they risk dividing the anti-Trump coalition and putting a convicted felon back in power.

I love this delusional world these people live in.

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Does anybody actually read these mainstream slop :marseyrobot: programming updates anymore or are these (((journos))) just shouting into the void

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tldr

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tldr blue team good everyone else threat to democracy

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The venue doesn't have enough bronze bottle brushes for his throat.

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A politician is a fellow who will lay down your life for his country.

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