They want to ban all immigration but there aren't enough people being born in their nation states to sustain continuous growth. Meanwhile these same people also want their quality of life to constantly improve but that's only possible as long as the total population increases which helps to increase total production and consumption and grow the market and labor pool.
The western economic model, to succeed, requires either, a naturally growing population ( which it does not have ), or a continuous immigrant inflow higher than the total natural population loss rate.
How have the rightoids not learned from the time when they banned the immigrants and suddenly there was nobody around to do the cheap work on the farms.
They aren't just stealing your jobs, they are doing the jobs you wouldn't have willingly done anyways at the prices those jobs pay, because those jobs only exist at those low prices.
The US is going to keep bringing in more and more immigrants over time, So is Europe. This is because the only alternate option is to slowly fall into continual decline like Japan.
Most of the anti immigrant crowd doesn't understand the privileges they get only because they are currently number one in the rankings for largest economy. The moment they fall they begin to lose those privileges.
Already, more than 1% of Germany's population worth of immigrants move there every year, and their population growth is still stagnant.
The US similarly needs more than 1.5 million people moving in every year to sustain itself.
Conclusion:
The west needs millions of immigrants every year.
One day the west will become the highest population region of the world.
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Culture has a value too. Average IQ/ productivity is also important. India has many more people than US+Europe, but it has shit culture (i.e. everything is filthy, (caste-)nepotism is accepted) and a huge low-IQ population that make many national projects impossible, so their very big high-IQ population either has to build gated communities to keep the riffraff out or just emigrates.
Apply that same reasoning to rdrama. We could just accept infinite reddit immigrants, the site will be very active, but if we can't assimilate them fast enough, the culture will change in a way that the natives perceive negatively (imagine rdrama being like the default reddit subs)
I'm personally willing to pay a moderate monetary price if this means I can live in a high-trust culture. Otherwise I would've already emigrated to a low cost-of-living country and retired.
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yes
Take in the competent immigrants.
Wrong. The britishers fault.
True
We do take in whoever we can get though?
but most rightoids who complain about immigration are not?
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this is much different than mass immigration and I'm in favor of my government doing this (with the caveat that total immigration still has to be below some threshhold so these high IQ immigrants have to assimilate). That said, I think global norms against this would be prudent as brain drain will probably lead to never seen before global inequalities that will be impossible to recover from until the next god-level tech (embryo selection, AGI)
Many people are too r-slurred to think in terms of utility and tradeoffs. That said, the dumb rightoids are often in direct competition with low-skill immigrants, thus will be materially better off even when the rest of the populace has to pay a higher price for a more inefficient economy.
Higher income people have a strong revealed preference to pay more money to live in high trust environment. See white-flight in US or gentrification for the europe buzzword. They'll pay incredible amounts of money to be far away from disfunctional people. I'd argue this is one of the biggest reasons to become wealthy.
we bully outsiders, during the sharty "raid" we enabled countermeasures to filter them. A reddit mass migration would get powerusers whining and I'd bet we wouldn't get censorship rules instanted for them to keep that population around.
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What you said. You win this round. I will get ya next time.
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