They want everything based on merit, which in our society is not even remotely possible. Everyone starts off on different rungs of the social ladder, some like Trump and Elon are born at the top. Is it merit they got where they did?
/u/I_Cogs_Well this is a really common position for democrats but I'm gonna ask, what do you think "merit" even means? Because I understand it as your technical competency for a job ("technical" in this case could include social competency for jobs that need it, like management). But your statement here seems to imply that you think "merit" means "how hard did you work for this?" which is an odd definition.
The usual criticism of meritocracy is that when a company says that they will hire "the best person for the job" and chooses the candidate with the most technical skills or whatever, the fact that the given candidate is the best person for the job is a product of injustice/privilege and thus they have not really "earned" it.
The usual response to this criticism is that it's not reasonable to place the burden of detecting and rectifying these sorts of injustices on private parties, and the leftoid pushback is that it is.
Furthermore, they will claim that the concept of "the best person for the job" is inherently laced with a number of cultural biases that should be disassembled. eg. Expecting people to arrive at work at a fixed time is actually a racist cultural norm and baking that into your definition of competency is problematic.
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>The usual response to this criticism is that it's not reasonable to place the burden of detecting and rectifying these sorts of injustices on private parties
Not only that but also that merit based competition is demonstrably the best system to promote the social mobility which they seek to achieve which DEI.
Well, the steelmanned position is that when a BIPOC applies to your company with shitty credentials or test scores, then you should implicitly recalibrate these scores in order to acknowledge that they reflect the BIPOC being held back by racism and that they have these scores despite that so maybe they're actually super-talented and hiring them is just the bottom-line best choice.
The empirical reality however is that this doesn't seem to work, and this "calibration" is just an excuse to implement a quota system.
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Whenever an Indian person applies for a job in my department, I get at least 5 messages from other Indians in the company vouching for them the day after, it's so ridiculous
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lets lie![:marseytroublemaker: :marseytroublemaker:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseytroublemaker.webp)
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Lol there's been so much of that lately.
"Uhh, why are the anti-ice protesters waving Mexican flags, don't the see how that's bad optics?"
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Same thing with CRT, there are people still telling me CRT stuff is only taught in college.
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It's often some cope like, "The coursework is based on some materials in CRT. We are not teaching CRT itself, so it's not CRT."
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/u/I_Cogs_Well this is a really common position for democrats but I'm gonna ask, what do you think "merit" even means? Because I understand it as your technical competency for a job ("technical" in this case could include social competency for jobs that need it, like management). But your statement here seems to imply that you think "merit" means "how hard did you work for this?" which is an odd definition.
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The usual criticism of meritocracy is that when a company says that they will hire "the best person for the job" and chooses the candidate with the most technical skills or whatever, the fact that the given candidate is the best person for the job is a product of injustice/privilege and thus they have not really "earned" it.
The usual response to this criticism is that it's not reasonable to place the burden of detecting and rectifying these sorts of injustices on private parties, and the leftoid pushback is that it is.
Furthermore, they will claim that the concept of "the best person for the job" is inherently laced with a number of cultural biases that should be disassembled. eg. Expecting people to arrive at work at a fixed time is actually a racist cultural norm and baking that into your definition of competency is problematic.
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Yeah it's 2 parts,
1 - declare everyone as a beneficiary of the original sin and some as the sinned,
2 - declare yourself the judge of sin rebalancing and prop up the ones you declare sinned
If you are against it, clearly you are the evil sinner.
Also, it's not a religion![:marseysurejan: :marseysurejan:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysurejan.webp)
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Not only that but also that merit based competition is demonstrably the best system to promote the social mobility which they seek to achieve which DEI.
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Well, the steelmanned position is that when a BIPOC applies to your company with shitty credentials or test scores, then you should implicitly recalibrate these scores in order to acknowledge that they reflect the BIPOC being held back by racism and that they have these scores despite that so maybe they're actually super-talented and hiring them is just the bottom-line best choice.
The empirical reality however is that this doesn't seem to work, and this "calibration" is just an excuse to implement a quota system.
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Without DEI Indians would just hire other Indians
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Whenever an Indian person applies for a job in my department, I get at least 5 messages from other Indians in the company vouching for them the day after, it's so ridiculous![:marseyxd: :marseyxd:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyxd.webp)
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Let them.
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