... and lose the electoral college.
I think this might the full sneed ahead outcome dramneurodivergents should root for.
Rightoids, are you ready to throw all the smug liberal platitudes back in their faces? Land can't vote, people vote
!khive are you ready to make exactly the same rslurred points the rightoids did in 2016? We all knew the rules of the game, do you want LA and NYC to pick the winner?
The latest New York Times-Siena College poll says the presidential race is a dead heat. So do any number of other national polls. In the battleground states, virtually every poll either reports a tie, or results well within the margin of error. The upshot: Even as Kamala Harris' national polling lead over Donald Trump has appeared to shrink, her strength may be holding up in the swing states that matter.
And this suggests the possibility that Election Day may produce a result we have never seen before: a Republican winning the popular vote but losing the Electoral College. That, in turn, just might restore a once-bipartisan consensus — that it is time for the United States to do away with the Electoral College once and for all and let the voters actually decide the presidency.
Throughout American history, we've seen five elections where the popular vote winner lost the White House, with the first three happening in the 19th century. More memorable, particularly for Democrats, are the 2000 and 2016 races, but it's useful to distinguish between them. Al Gore lost the presidency to George W. Bush while winning the popular vote by just 0.5 percentage points, a virtual tie. Trump, however, took the White House even after coming in a full 2 points and 3 million votes behind Hillary Clinton.
Four years later, Joe Biden beat Trump by more than 4 points and 7 million votes in the popular vote, but his Electoral College win stood on a slew of narrow victories in key states.
The 2016 and 2020 campaigns seemed to confirm a broader view of a pro-Republican bias in the Electoral College: With millions of Democratic votes "wasted" in places like California and New York, a Democrat had to win a popular vote plurality north of 3 percent to be elected.
That dynamic has led to growing Democratic calls to abolish the Electoral College, even by the party's vice presidential nominee Tim Walz. Republicans, meanwhile, seem to have become almost indifferent to their inability to win the popular vote — they've done it just once in the last eight elections — and content with the idea that they can win the presidency even if millions more voters wanted a different result.
But even before the 2024 campaign began, there was reason to believe that the Republican Electoral College advantage was shrinking. With Trump apparently cutting into traditional Democratic terrain among Black and Latinx voters, and Democrats polling well in once-Republican suburban areas, the electoral map may be shifting.
If a Democrat did triumph in the Electoral College while losing the popular vote, it would turn history on its head — and might make electoral reform less of a strictly partisan issue.
A partisan divide hasn't always existed. In 1968, third-party candidate George Wallace won five states and 46 electoral votes, coming close to deadlocking the Electoral College and throwing the contest into the House of Representatives. In response, a movement to abolish the Electoral College gained broad, bipartisan support: In the fall of 1969, the House voted overwhelmingly — 339 to 70 — for a constitutional amendment to make the popular vote decisive. President Richard Nixon endorsed the measure. More than 30 states were on record as supporting the idea. But a coalition of smaller states and Southerners filibustered the proposal in the Senate.
As a matter of fact, a few small alterations in history would likely have fueled even more bipartisan support for change.
In 1960, Nixon fell short of a popular vote victory by 0.17 percent to John F. Kennedy (indeed, generations of Republicans insist voter fraud deprived Nixon of victory). In 2000, the preelection consensus was that Gore might win the White House even though Bush would win the popular vote. As I learned in researching a book on the 2000 election, Republicans were prepared to challenge the legitimacy of such an outcome. Four years later, John Kerry came within 2 points of winning Ohio, which would have made him president even though Bush won a 3-million-vote plurality. That would have meant two consecutive elections in which the "winner" became the "loser," with each party suffering that outcome.
So what might happen if Trump wins more total votes than Harris, but loses in the Electoral College?
Undoubtedly, the reaction would be explosive among Trump's army of "election deniers," and there might be an attempt by his allies in state and local offices to try to muddy the waters and argue that the "will of the people" should somehow prevail. Assuming those efforts fail and Harris is inaugurated, we might see a whole new constituency furious at this system of choosing a president — including countless Americans who have no idea that when they vote for president they aren't really voting for a candidate at all, but rather a slate of faceless electors.
As long as the electoral process always favors one party, there is no chance for anything like that movement from a half-century ago to be revived. But if November sees Trump deprived of the presidency despite a popular vote victory, the appetite for change might just take on a bipartisan flavor.
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my perfect outcome is both candidates die before the election and we have to pick from literally anyone else.
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You already said that once when it was DDR v DDD and now that you still won't vote for literally some other lady.
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source?
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good faith source. i'll accept it.
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It's a faith source; I'll give you that.
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Nah, none of that shit counts. They were supposed to pick any other candidate that doesn't have an annoying voice and a record they could actually run on. It's not our fault they replaced Joe with a worse candidate
Putting the in spookie
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All politicians who didn't get presidential nominations are just worse versions of the ones who did get nominations. Like maybe there's some obscure mayor somewhere who smokes crack and would introduce UBI and femboy waifus for all and free AR15s but they're not gonna pick him.
FUS-RO-DANCE ON RIGHTOID GRAVES
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Big Mike Obama please
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its his turn!
!slots100
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And literally anyone would be better than these two choices.
Krayon sexually assaulted his sister.
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IT'S HILLARY CLINTON FROM THE TOP ROPE!
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She killed Epstein, and now she's killing american voter dreams. She can't keep getting away with this!
Krayon sexually assaulted his sister.
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The guy from Mars who made that rocket engine?
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No, it was her bestie who went all rogue. Never go rogue.
Krayon sexually assaulted his sister.
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How small cannwe get this krayon (sister toucher)?
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The perfect shitstorm is basically Giliad where all of Congress dies due to an attack and nothing can be passed without them.
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isn't giliad that book about a guy getting lost on his boat trying to go home
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It was a show called Giliad's Island
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OH YEAH! the captain would hit giliad with his hat and always called him little guy!
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Top candidates:
Joe Rogan
Andrew tate
Joe biden
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i don't listen to his podcast and i know very little on his opinion about ANYTHING, but at this point i'd seriously consider voting rogan for president. if he ran as the head of a brand new political party he'd immediately get my vote without having to hear a single word.
i'm so fricking tired of republicans and democrats.
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Trump wins popular vote
Harris wins electors
Interstate compact passes and is immediately applied to give Trump 270
Democrats sue that the compact they've been trying to pass for decades is unconstitutional
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Please clap
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Trump resigns just because he was making a point and doesn't want to be president. Vance is now president and picks trump as his vp. Vance resigns and trump is president again.
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209 EV are currently in the NPVIC.
GA, FL, TX, and OH, with 103 EVs, are all currently governed by a Republican trifecta and aren't party to the NPVIC.
Governors call special session, legislatures rubber stamp. Democrats attempt to do the same to withdraw from it. They fail, and this shoots up to the Supreme Court.
The streets run red with sneed and maybe blood.
Gotta root for this.
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It gets better: it's unclear whether the popular vote compact is constitutional, so there would be an ugly legal battle ending up in the Supreme Court
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The popular vote compact only applies if enough states to carry it adopt the compact.
So I don't think it would work
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That's why he said that Republicans would then try to push last second NPVIC legislation in pending red states in order for it to take effect and give Trump the presidency and thereby cause extreme turbonuclear Democrat sneed
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I don't think they'd do it. But if they did do it, I think there's a clause that makes it so that it isn't retroactive.
It would just go forwards in 2028.
Either way nick bosa will usher in 2025 as the Year of the Chud when he sacks Lamar Jackson (acl+achillies+MCL+meniscus tear during play) to win the SB (final play) and the SB mvp before meeting president trump (who will be in attendance).
With how he's playing a trump victory is secured.
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The what?
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!neolibs !nooticers a more dramapilled scenario.
269-269 electoral tie, Orange Man wins the popular vote.
What will be Copmala's stans position on why congress should elect her over DDR?
Lmao, no. If the dems win the electoral college while Orange Man wins the popular vote they'll do a 180 on it, just like Trudeau completely shelved electoral reform in Canada. Nothing ever happens.
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I hoping for a draw too
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Se houver empate a câmara elege o Presidente, super drama-pílulado
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É ainda mais r-slurado que isso, cada estado tem um voto e os deputados do estado votam entre si para decidir quem recebe o voto do seu estado
Então é perfeitamente possível que o resultado seja 25-25 e eles precisam continuar votando até que alguém seja eleito
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Kkkk, cada dia fico mais convencido de que 50%+1 ou segundo turno é o sistema eleitoral "menos pior" dentro de tudo.
Nem o colégio eleitoral da época da ditabranda era tão besta.
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It would be delicious drama.
Well those would still be lib strongholds. The Dem narrative would be something like "do you want racist rednecks and simpletons mislead by russian misinformation, who have never seen a horizon that wasnt covered in corn stalks to determine the future of a global superpower?"
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Yes, because unironically, they are better people than typical city libshits.
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It's time to retvrn to radical centrism
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The dream. It's perfect.
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Dramaphilic Senate results I'm rooting for:
Osborn wins Nebraska race, refuses to caucus with Republicans, stabs Democrats in the back again by refusing to caucus with them.
Cruz loses to Allred in TX. Cruz starts vengeance-fueled media campaign against Trump (win or lose) and other Republicans, starts own cult of personality as being the one true conservative. Allred, despite his record supporting trans rights in the House, is bullied by trans activists for saying he "doesn't want boys in girls sports". Allred continues to support trans rights while also dunking on the terminally online Twitter types like Alejandra Caraballo, angering both chuds and the less compromising nonchuds.
Osborn erratically flipflops between caucuses (party that wins presidency gets one less Senate seat), constantly flipping who gets to be Senate Majority Leader.
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If Cruz loses, he's fricking off to Mexico to bang hookers(male) for the next six months. No way he hangs around to feud with Trump.
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He bangs the hookers (male) for six months, it gets leaked, and THEN Cruz decides to start his personality cult and feud with Trump. There's too much milk potential in this cow for him to leave forever, even though he's been unforgivably boring in the Senate since 2016 (which is why he must lose).
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Who?
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who fedposts and was humiliated on a live hearing confronting zxer about zxer fedposting, no I do not have the links for this, I will go to sleep now, bye
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this is my favored outcome in a lot of ways tbh. A trump win will cause the most drama of course but this would be a close second IMO. Magatards seething beyond belief. Libtards immediately pretend they have not been seething about popular vote since 2016.
It could be glorious
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I would win a lot of dramacoin if this happened
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Ooh, where can we bet?
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https://rdrama.net/post/297942/bet-thread-brasiliguanas-amazing-election-betatorium
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Thanks. I'm just now seeing this
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Yes, it would be so dramatic
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If Trump wins the popular vote it will be an absolute landslide
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Yes, it would be so dramatic
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Gigga cope, if the republicans win the popular vote theyre going to accuse the electors of being unfaithful and declare the election was rigged
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Never going to happen, popular vote always favors demonrats while electoral college always favors rethuglicans
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Dramaphobic
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There's like a 1% chance that this happens lmao
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don't spoil my mood like this cute twink!
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Why not?
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If this happens it'll be proof that elections are rigged and they did this to avoid future chimpouts
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Snapshots:
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a dead heat:
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Tim Walz:
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Republican Electoral College advantage was shrinking:
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a book on the 2000 election:
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attempt by his allies in state and local offices:
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