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Redditors reach new righteous heights as they cheer killing little girls as long as they are related to republicans. :vegetakneel:

https://old.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/1iola4t/jd_vances_12yearold_relative_denied_heart/

								

								

Why is this in the politics hole?

Because vaccines are political chud.

Suddenly all redditors become experts in the field of organ transplantation and realize that giving a heart to a dying child is ethically wrong even if there is nobody else on the list and the child is unvaccinated.

The medical field says vaccines must be given as the child is at risk of getting diseases without the vaccines that make the heart transplant useless, conspiracytards respond that the covid vaccine has already been proven to cause heart issues in the first place as a side effect so makes no sense to require covid vaxx to get a heart transplant, my personal non expert opinion says that not having a vaccine increases your chances of getting a disease, but it does not guarantee it, and if the heart is the difference between life or death, then the child has every right to it as long as there is no else on the list before her who needs it more.

Interesting observations:

Hospital admits that vaccines increase the likelihood of a successful organ transplant. Which I believe should lead to the child still getting the transplant if nobody else needs the heart more at the moment.

https://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/news/release/2025/transplant-statement

Because children who receive a transplant will be immunosuppressed for the rest of their life, vaccines play a critical role in preventing or reducing the risk of life-threatening infections, especially in the first year. These decisions involve discussion between our providers and the patient's family.

Organs can stay alive for a few weeks after a person is dead, which means if the girl is the only person around who needs a heart in that time frame, then it makes sense to give it to her even if she is unvaccinated. Not a single redditor appears to have noticed this or mentioned it and all have decided the child is meant to die now.

A deceased organ donor is kept on a ventilator after she/he has been declared brain-dead. They will remain on the ventilator until necessary approvals are taken and the organs can be retrieved. A Brain stem Dead person's organs may stay alive for a period of time that may range from a few days to a few weeks.

As far as I can tell ( I might be completely wrong somebody confirm for me ) if you refuse the covid vaccine, you will not be allowed to get an organ transplant, even if nobody else needs that organ at the moment. So they would rather throw an organ in the trash rather than allow it access to an unvaccinated person.

> Transplant recipients must follow a very strict regimen and if they are unwilling to get vaccinated despite repeated recommendations, they should be excluded.

In adult recipients, the median survival time is 9.4 years, in comparison with 2.4 years among patients awaiting a heart. In pediatric recipients, the median survival time is 12.8 years. Overall, heart transplantation has added approximately 270,000 life-years (mean, 4.9 yr/recipient)

This above statement is the only thing that to me somewhat explains why doctors are not willing to expend much time trying to save unvaccinated organ transplant patients. The survival years are already so low and organs available for donation are so low in number, but I still cannot ascertain why not just put the unvaccinated at the very back of the list and technically only able to get an organ after everybody vaccinated has gotten an organ. Even if the unvaccinated never receive an organ, it would show that there is no active discrimination or attempt to exclude people from the medical system altogether, simply a limitation of resources and focus on using them where they are most viable to work.

Interesting comments:

Not letting people with authority do whatever with your children because they know better makes you evil.

Letting your 12 year old die to own the libs. Classic MAGA

They killed their daughter. Not the hospital by rejecting the transplantation request no matter if the organ is going to rot instead. The parents of the child are evil. Not the system that won't even make them eligible to be on the very back of the list if they don't get the vaccines.

So they're collecting money on GoFundMe despite not even being eligible for the operation? They will not be getting an exemption

One redditor gets the reasoning right but still doesn't question why non-vaccinated cannot be at minimum at the very back of the list for transplants.

I'm assuming it's because getting the body to accept an implant requires a lot of antibiotics and the patient would be weak and thus at much higher risk of death - potentially wasting the transplant when other people who will get the jab are just as in need.

One great mind of reddit theorizes that this is a 4D chess move by the parents to get rid of an adopted child.

They can either cause a massive fuss about their child being killed by vaccine mandates or the government taking their child away because of vaccine mandates.

The parents turn out to be r-slurred. Nobody really surprised.

Janeen claims that vaccines are unsafe, and also said they came to their decision after "the Holy Spirit put it on our hearts".

But what about just putting them at the very back of the transplant list? What's wrong with that.

Fair. If you're not going to take care of your body you don't deserve new organs. They are in short supply. Sorry not sorry.

A "doctor of reddit" Chimes in.

Doctor here. Pretty straightforward regarding transplants. One of the most scarce resources we have in medicine, so to be eligible, you HAVE to show you are willing to follow medical advice and protocols to maximize chances of success, because even then there is a good percentage that fail. You are on immunosuppressants for life, and any infection can be fatal. So yeah, vaccination has always been prerequisite

That makes sense, but factoring in that organs are so rare for transplantation and vaccinated people have a far higher likelihood of success, why don't we at least allow the unvaccinated to be at the very back of the list, as having an organ transplant with a 5% chance of success is still higher than the 0% chance of success when their organ fails?

Conclusion:

Redditors went insane in their echo chambers and will never be able to leave them. They are all brain wormed now and they will either be able to function in a Kamala world, or go insane and die out in a any other world.

An evil Republican may own a dozen s*x slaves to satisfy himself, but a good redditor will let an entire nation of women be r*ped as long as it is done in the name of "being on the right side of history and not letting white people harm (punish) minorities (male feminists from minority groups)".

!mottezans moral quandary for you. Should American medical system allow unvaccinated people on organ donation lists at the very back in case they ever run out of vaccinated people but there is still an organ around, or is it more ethical to perma ban all unvaccinated from the organ transplant list altogether and force them to get vaccinated to be on the list in any capacity? Note that organs are rare to acquire for transplantation, last only a few years, a decade if the person who received them is lucky, and being unvaccinated raises the chances of getting an infection and the transplant failing far faster than in the case of vaccinated individuals. The mortality rate may be 5X higher for unvaccinated patients who get an organ transplant compared to vaccinated individuals.

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>They killed their daughter. Not the hospital by rejecting the transplantation request no matter if the organ is going to rot instead.

Uhh it's not going to rot instead sooo

That said the QALY calculation does not make sense, a 12-year old is probably not going to die of COVID so it shouldn't be a strict requirement?

Compromise position: Legalize organ sales and let the market sort it out as God intended.

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Whichever the case, does it feel like the medical industry has become politicized to the point that they are actively increasing the chances of killing people with "wrong think" even if there are solutions to save them just not as effective as for the "right think" crowd?

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does it feel like the medical :marseyhouse: industry has become politicized to the point :marseyfoxgloveyourself: that they are actively increasing the chances of killing :marseymegalodon: people with "wrong think" even if there :marseycheerup: are solutions to save them just not as effective as for the "right think" crowd?

We already learned this during 'rona when they prioritized giving vaccines to BIPOCs over old, white :marseyselfflagellation: people even though olds are like a thousand times more likely to die from it.

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The west has farren.

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Makes more economic sense, olds need to draw at the Social Security tit and we can sell the BIPOCs

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Is a vaccine requirement for a heart transplant a new thing? Probably not. The blame rests with the people who have made vaccines some weird political/religious identity issue.

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Is a vaccine requirement for a heart transplant a new thing?

Why can something that is old not be questioned if it is possibly creating worse outcomes all around?

Is people not taking vaccines a new thing? Probably not. Then why is the medical community completely excommunicating this group from a potentially life saving measure instead of accepting and denying them on a case by case basis as the situation unfolds? The blame rests with the liberals that have made vaccines some weird political/ science is my religion identity issue.

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accepting and denying them on a case by case basis as the situation unfolds

That's literally what the hospital transplant committee does you r-slur. Recognize that you are r-slurred and better people than you have already thought of these issues and figured out a system before trying to tear it down with your "new ideas"

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That's literally what the hospital transplant committee does you r-slur.

I know but why aren't they including the unvaccinated on the list of case by case checks?

better people than you have already thought of these issues

Yes

and figured out a system

Clearly not a good enough one when they auto ban 12 year olds to die for not matching their values while all the redditors cheer.

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Then why is the medical community completely excommunicating this group from a potentially life saving measure instead of accepting and denying them on a case by case basis as the situation unfolds?

Because they literally don't have the supply of organs and doctors to promise everybody treatment and then reject them on a case by case basis. By necessity some groups of people have to be excluded by default because they need some way of narrowing the number of patients down to who is likely to benefit the longest.

Rejecting people for not being vaccinated has been a thing forever because the procedure makes you more illness-prone and they don't want to waste a heart on a guy who's liable to die from polio in a year.

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Because they literally don't have the supply of organs

Still doesn't justify not putting them at the back of the list.

to promise everybody treatment and then reject them on a case by case basis.

Let an automated AI do it. They are already advanced enough with a decade plus of experience in customer support.

By necessity some groups of people have to be excluded by default because they need some way of narrowing the number of patients down to who is likely to benefit the longest.

Let AI do it.

Rejecting people for not being vaccinated has been a thing forever because the procedure makes you more illness-prone and they don't want to waste a heart on a guy who's liable to die from polio in a year.

Back of the list.

You have given the first good justification so far. The limitation not being organs but rather the number of doctors needed to track all the people asking for organs, which needs to be lowered till it is a manageable number.

!nooticers !mottezans First reasonable justification for why unvaccinated are not on the organ donation list at all in an 80+ comments post.

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There is no "back of the list." That's not how it works.

There's a million things you have to do in order to be considered for an organ donation. These are well researched steps to maximize the chances of success in a risky procedure with a huge number of "perfect" candidates vying for the same resources.

Alcoholic, unvaccinated, whatever. If you don't meet the criteria you don't. This is your choice and you made it, so why are you complaining?

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I finished this conversation in other comments on this post. Sorry. Have a good day.

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a 12-year old is probably not going to die of COVID

A healthy 12-year-old very likely wouldn't (they probably wouldn't even have symptoms), but a 12-year-old on immunosuppresants very well could.

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