Why is this in the politics hole?
Because vaccines are political chud.
Suddenly all redditors become experts in the field of organ transplantation and realize that giving a heart to a dying child is ethically wrong even if there is nobody else on the list and the child is unvaccinated.
The medical field says vaccines must be given as the child is at risk of getting diseases without the vaccines that make the heart transplant useless, conspiracytards respond that the covid vaccine has already been proven to cause heart issues in the first place as a side effect so makes no sense to require covid vaxx to get a heart transplant, my personal non expert opinion says that not having a vaccine increases your chances of getting a disease, but it does not guarantee it, and if the heart is the difference between life or death, then the child has every right to it as long as there is no else on the list before her who needs it more.
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Hospital admits that vaccines increase the likelihood of a successful organ transplant. Which I believe should lead to the child still getting the transplant if nobody else needs the heart more at the moment.
https://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/news/release/2025/transplant-statement
Because children who receive a transplant will be immunosuppressed for the rest of their life, vaccines play a critical role in preventing or reducing the risk of life-threatening infections, especially in the first year. These decisions involve discussion between our providers and the patient's family.
Organs can stay alive for a few weeks after a person is dead, which means if the girl is the only person around who needs a heart in that time frame, then it makes sense to give it to her even if she is unvaccinated. Not a single redditor appears to have noticed this or mentioned it and all have decided the child is meant to die now.
A deceased organ donor is kept on a ventilator after she/he has been declared brain-dead. They will remain on the ventilator until necessary approvals are taken and the organs can be retrieved. A Brain stem Dead person's organs may stay alive for a period of time that may range from a few days to a few weeks.
As far as I can tell ( I might be completely wrong somebody confirm for me ) if you refuse the covid vaccine, you will not be allowed to get an organ transplant, even if nobody else needs that organ at the moment. So they would rather throw an organ in the trash rather than allow it access to an unvaccinated person.
In adult recipients, the median survival time is 9.4 years, in comparison with 2.4 years among patients awaiting a heart. In pediatric recipients, the median survival time is 12.8 years. Overall, heart transplantation has added approximately 270,000 life-years (mean, 4.9 yr/recipient)
This above statement is the only thing that to me somewhat explains why doctors are not willing to expend much time trying to save unvaccinated organ transplant patients. The survival years are already so low and organs available for donation are so low in number, but I still cannot ascertain why not just put the unvaccinated at the very back of the list and technically only able to get an organ after everybody vaccinated has gotten an organ. Even if the unvaccinated never receive an organ, it would show that there is no active discrimination or attempt to exclude people from the medical system altogether, simply a limitation of resources and focus on using them where they are most viable to work.
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Not letting people with authority do whatever with your children because they know better makes you evil.
Letting your 12 year old die to own the libs. Classic MAGA
They killed their daughter. Not the hospital by rejecting the transplantation request no matter if the organ is going to rot instead. The parents of the child are evil. Not the system that won't even make them eligible to be on the very back of the list if they don't get the vaccines.
So they're collecting money on GoFundMe despite not even being eligible for the operation? They will not be getting an exemption
One redditor gets the reasoning right but still doesn't question why non-vaccinated cannot be at minimum at the very back of the list for transplants.
I'm assuming it's because getting the body to accept an implant requires a lot of antibiotics and the patient would be weak and thus at much higher risk of death - potentially wasting the transplant when other people who will get the jab are just as in need.
One great mind of reddit theorizes that this is a 4D chess move by the parents to get rid of an adopted child.
They can either cause a massive fuss about their child being killed by vaccine mandates or the government taking their child away because of vaccine mandates.
The parents turn out to be r-slurred. Nobody really surprised.
Janeen claims that vaccines are unsafe, and also said they came to their decision after "the Holy Spirit put it on our hearts".
But what about just putting them at the very back of the transplant list? What's wrong with that.
Fair. If you're not going to take care of your body you don't deserve new organs. They are in short supply. Sorry not sorry.
A "doctor of reddit" Chimes in.
Doctor here. Pretty straightforward regarding transplants. One of the most scarce resources we have in medicine, so to be eligible, you HAVE to show you are willing to follow medical advice and protocols to maximize chances of success, because even then there is a good percentage that fail. You are on immunosuppressants for life, and any infection can be fatal. So yeah, vaccination has always been prerequisite
That makes sense, but factoring in that organs are so rare for transplantation and vaccinated people have a far higher likelihood of success, why don't we at least allow the unvaccinated to be at the very back of the list, as having an organ transplant with a 5% chance of success is still higher than the 0% chance of success when their organ fails?
Conclusion:
Redditors went insane in their echo chambers and will never be able to leave them. They are all brain wormed now and they will either be able to function in a Kamala world, or go insane and die out in a any other world.
An evil Republican may own a dozen s*x slaves to satisfy himself, but a good redditor will let an entire nation of women be r*ped as long as it is done in the name of "being on the right side of history and not letting white people harm (punish) minorities (male feminists from minority groups)".
!mottezans moral quandary for you. Should American medical system allow unvaccinated people on organ donation lists at the very back in case they ever run out of vaccinated people but there is still an organ around, or is it more ethical to perma ban all unvaccinated from the organ transplant list altogether and force them to get vaccinated to be on the list in any capacity? Note that organs are rare to acquire for transplantation, last only a few years, a decade if the person who received them is lucky, and being unvaccinated raises the chances of getting an infection and the transplant failing far faster than in the case of vaccinated individuals. The mortality rate may be 5X higher for unvaccinated patients who get an organ transplant compared to vaccinated individuals.
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She could just get vaccinated? To me it's a pretty obvious decision but I guess her parents would rather she die.
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but her parents aren't killing her? The medical system is by removing the unvaccinated from the transplant lists altogether? Why not leave the unvaccinated on the transplant list behind the vaccinated as they have a possibly 5x higher failure rate for their transplant instead of removing them altogether from the list?
If there was then a situation where the child needed a transplant the very next day but there were still vaccinated people who needed a transplant higher up the list, then I could understand it being counted as the parents killing the child by not getting her vaccinated.
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lol they're gonna be standing at her little child grave all like "if only there was something we could have done :'(". It's kinda sad tbh, in a sane world the kid would just be forced to get vaxxed
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They should sue the hospital for killing her daughter by not allowed her on the back of the list at all.
If she managed to get added to the list, and the parents still didn't get her vaccinated before she died, then the parents should be jailed because her likelihood of getting the organ transplant would have gone up if she was vaccinated.
In a sane world the hospital would be held responsible for their part in killing the child, and the parents would be held responsible for their part in killing the child, instead of it being played like a sport where one side only wants the parents punished and the other side only wants the hospital punished.
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the hospital didn't kill their daughter, they simply failed to save her, which is their choice. Should they be forced to save every tom peepee and harry that comes along? Clearly not. People will go on and on about an individuals choice of what to do with their body (even 12 year old girls, who are far too young to make such informed choices) and then say shit like this, its unbelievable.
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Wrong. You have been psyoped by the media into being okay with people who do wrong think to die. I am sorry that happened.
Have a good day.
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I think the daughter should have been strapped down to a table, forcibly injected with all manner of experimental clot shots, while the parents screamed and wailed outside, and had her life saved. but that's just me
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neighbors be like "you don't value the sanctity of life" then start threatening murder when you propose a solution.
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It's legitimately insane. Even if you think vaccines are harmful how they going to be more harmful than being dead? Do Republichuds think vaccines prevent you from going to heaven or something?
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The hardcore tradcaths who don't do vaccines that may or may not have been developed with stemcells. Then I would bet cash there's a handful of surprisingly populated christcuck, muzzie, and Jewish sects with some rules about vaccines like some have about blood transfusions.
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That's fine, they can stay off the organ transplant list if they want.
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It's legitimately insane. Even if you think being unvaccinated is harmful how they going to be more harmful than not giving an organ and letting them die? Do libtards think being unvaccinated lets you stay alive without organs or something?
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It would be much more harmful, because it would be a waste of an organ to give it to someone who isn't vaccinated who has a much higher chance of getting sick and dying from preventable disease. Organ transplant recipients have to take drugs that suppress their immune system so their body doesn't reject it. This means they're at much higher risk of getting sick from diseases, many of which have vaccines that greatly reduced the risk. The "risks" involved for getting such vaccines are negligible. Vaccinations are a common sense requirement for anyone who wants to get an organ.
R-slur.
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I have already finished this conversation somewhere else. Have a good day.
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You have no arguments, you're just pretending that vaccines are some unnecessary requirement for organ transplants, and that there's some justifiable argument for not getting them. You haven't provided a single argument as to why it makes sense for a kid wanting a heart transplant to not get vaccines.
80 IQ turd world brain r-slur.
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Okay. Have a good day. Bye now.
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what if r*pe was a requirement too receive an organ transplant? trans lives matter
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Hmmm r*pe or death, let me think about that one for a bit lmao
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