It really WAS that bad. In the finale of lower decks they made fun of the multiverse trope and showed the klingons are actually from an alternate (cringe) dimension.
Star Trek Discovery was so bad it cringed itself out of canon
https://cosmicbook.news/star-trek-discovery-erased-canon
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Sure, but you will take TOS from my cold, dead hands. DS9 was very good, but got a little indulgent in the last season or so. TNG started poorly but managed to stand on its own two feet. VOY had the problem that nobody knew what the heck to do with it; they set up a good premise but quickly found that limiting what the ship could do meant boring stories (and the Kazon were rubbish villains). ENT was my pick for "oh my God this is awful" but then they went and did DISCO and I didn't know when I had it good.
I got so burned by DISCO that I never watched Lower Decks or Strange New Worlds, and I'm hearing good things about the latter but I'm too gunshy to give it a go. "Picard" was an aberration; a vanity project that I wish Patrick Stewart hadn't done as he's too old now for the part, and they did more re-writing of canon (what the heck is this craze for "Roddenberry's optimistic universe is too nice, we gotta grimdark it up and contradict canon to make that happen"?)
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star trek was never good it was always just a lame star wars ripoff like yeah wow you have the borg so cool nice empire ripoff r-slurs
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Star Wars is just a Dune ripoff.
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Some people actually say this one unironically because Frank Herbert owns the concept of deserts
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The idea of a messiah in/from the desert is absolutely a bit older than either.
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Luke isn't remotely a messiah figure either, he's just the hero. Paul is treated as a figure of religious fixation even in the first book.
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Luke is absolutely a messiah figure. The Empire isn't hunting him down purely out of ego and spite; Luke has a seemingly irreplaceable connection to the Force that threatens the dark forces. Luke wields that power in a unique role rallying and leading the Rebels.
Even the concept of balance in the Force between good and evil frames Luke as a godly, good influence confronted eternally by godly, evil forces like the Emperor, much like Jesus versus the Devil.
"Messiah" doesn't mean singular, in particular. Luke doesn't have to be the only one with special powers to be a messiah. For example, Paul in Dune (the first book) isn't the only messianic figure in the series; he arguably passes that torch to his emperor descendent, the being that actually fulfills the prophetic path that saves humanity.
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Well Anakin is the fallen messiah and his love for his son and family is what brings him back. That could lead to viewing Luke as a messiah since he was necessary to Anakin destroying Palpatine, but def doesn't lead to viewing SW as a Dune rip off
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Nobody looks to Luke as a spiritual or even moral leader. Nobody expects that he is going to save the galaxy. He's valued by the rebels, but not venerated. He's an action hero who has a personal spiritual journey that nobody else is really aware of.
At most you could argue that his battle with Vader and Palpatine on the Death Star II is sort of a spiritual reflection of the military battle going on outside. But again, nobody else is really aware of it.
Being a "messiah" would require some kind of social role. Paul is venerated by some people on Arrakis from the moment they land, and it only grows from there.
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yeah it was just slop nobody cared about before they started copying wars
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I really tried to give DS9 a shot but the characters are buttholes and I really couldn't give a shit if the whole ship blew up.
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Strange new worlds is probably the closest thing to the original startrek vision, Gene Roddenberry would genocide the other writers and producers if he could
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