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Should I Remove My Son From an Activity He Loves Because I’m Morally Opposed to It? :marseyextinction:

https://slate.com/human-interest/2022/07/cub-scouts-children-activities.html

Yasss Xueen sign him up for Drag classes instead :marseypass:

Dear Care and Feeding,

My 7-year-old son is in Cub Scouts and loves it; me, not so much. It seems to go against everything I've been trying to teach my boys. There is a lot of God and patriotism. At every meeting they promise to be clean and reverent, to do their duty to God and be morally straight, which makes me cringe. We are atheists, which the program technically bans. Up until recently the Boy Scouts also had anti-gay policies. It seems like a no-brainer that this group isn't for us, but my son loves it. Our "den" gives the option of community service instead of going to church for the "Duty to God" badge. Other than the pledge in the beginning, we have really enjoyed the family friendly activities, projects, and group campouts. I've heard comments about masks and losing freedoms, I've seen a Let's Go Brandon flag in a leader's garage, but overall everyone has been friendly and welcoming and hasn't talked politics.

I've talked to my son about why I don't think we should continue, but he is 7 and just wants to build cars and go fishing. It doesn't help that his best friends' parents are the leaders of the program. With the recent Supreme Court rulings, I just can't stomach these meetings anymore. He is supposed to march in the Fourth of July parade and I have no desire to celebrate America right now. I've checked and cannot find any similar groups in our area. My husband says it would be wrong to make him quit because of my beliefs. But he is 7, isn't it my job to teach him my morals? I'm so torn on what to do!

--- A Mom Just Trying to Do the Right Thing

Dear Just Trying,

Since each Boy Scout troop takes its own approach to the rules and traditions of the national organization, I'm not going to try to explore or debate the positions of the national organization, because that's not the heart of your question. Your question is really whether your discomfort with the national organization is reason enough to pull your kid out of the local program, so the local is what I'm going to focus on.

It is your job to teach your son your morals, but at some point it's also your job to let him codify his own set of values, which may or may not line up with yours. Don't worry, I'm not suggesting that your 7-year-old is ready for that! But I think having an eye toward that future point is your best course of action here. It sounds like you can be reasonably certain that the den leaders, or at least one of them, have different political beliefs than you, but that at least so far those beliefs have not entered the Scout activities. Same goes for the religious elements inherent in the program---in fact your den made some accommodations for your family so that your son could fully participate. Although I understand your discomfort, I'm not sure now is the time to pull him out of the program. If these leaders continue to be respectful of political boundaries and your religious beliefs, then there seems very little danger, at least for now, that your son would pick up anything objectionable to you. And it sounds like both the activities themselves and the other boys in the group are motivational for your son.

I think this is one of those situations where you can let your son continue to be involved with the Scouts while also continuing to speak with him and read with him about the social and moral perspectives you want him to adopt as he grows. Keep an open dialogue and involve him in activism to the extent you are comfortable. In doing so, he may come to question the Boy Scouts' "shtick" all on his own and find another activity. Or, he may continue to be involved in Scouts, but also grow up to be a rabid liberal, in which case he has learned a really important skill: how to coexist, collaborate, and have meaningful relationships with people who have different views than oneself.

I don't mean to downplay your discomfort at the rhetoric of certain political factions and recent events regarding a person's rights---I share it. But I'm also not convinced that the lesson you want to teach your son, or these other parents, is that you feel the need to isolate yourself away from anyone who seems like they vote "R." So long as these leaders and parents create a respectful space for people of all beliefs, you can wait until your son is old enough to make a decision about his association with the group for himself.

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Boy Scouts is a weekly session to explore broad topics which could turn into a profession, or maybe just a hobby.

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being an eagle scout can help you get some of your college paid for and even help with a job out of college. You'll get made fun of but if you like it you do you

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I'm an Eagle. Nobody gives a shit.

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Same, literally has never come up.

I have heard its an instant promotion if I ever turn into a boot though

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In spookworld it has come up for me as a sign of my good character

... but I think spookworld is equally rslurred with badges and ranks so your mileage may vary

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Which is funny because the only difficult part of it is the project. I got every single merit badge I needed from a couple years of summer camp and never earned a single one on my own time lol. It said nothing about me besides that I managed to stick it out for 8 years

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being able to hit layups for years without getting frustrated by endless meetings or stupid rituals is what civil service is all about

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The thing that almost broke me is when at some point in the early 2000s it turned into a bunch of poor trailer trash dropping off their problem kids for daycare like it was a military school that was going to whip them into shape.

When I first joined it was a bunch of dorky middle class kids learning camping and by the time I was a patrol leader I had to wrangle kids who went on to spend time in juvie. One of which turned into an actual arsonist while in my patrol

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The thing that almost broke me is when at some point in the early 2000s it turned into a bunch of poor trailer trash dropping off their problem kids for daycare like it was a military school that was going to whip them into shape.

darn this is so accurate lol.


Follower of Christ :marseyandjesus: Tech lover, IT Admin, heckin pupper lover and occasionally troll. I hold back feelings or opinions, right or wrong because I dislike conflict.

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You graduate boot camp as Private First Class, which means the the Senior Piece of Shit.

Positive points for ROTC and OTC consideration.

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Haha stupid cringe Eagle Scout. Why don't ya spread your wings and blow an egg out your butt. Cringe dummy Eagle Scout!

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Fellow eagle chad

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I feel like being an Eagle scout used to be a big deal. I wanted to be one, up until I got kicked out for being gay.

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Being an eagle just tells everyone you're a cringe nerd that still wears long socks and shorts at the age of 17.

It's also expensive to get that far in scouts. They really nickel and dime you on all sorts of bullshit you can only get at The Official Scouts Store.

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>Part of an outdoors organization

>Still Fat.

Fricking how?

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No amount of exercise can overcome a diet of copious corn and high fructose corn syrup, much less hiking at most once a week.

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Institutionalised insulin and leptin resistance :marseyitsover:

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My younger brothers were in it and didnt have to buy shit besides their uniform to get eagle.

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