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Should I Remove My Son From an Activity He Loves Because I’m Morally Opposed to It? :marseyextinction:

https://slate.com/human-interest/2022/07/cub-scouts-children-activities.html

Yasss Xueen sign him up for Drag classes instead :marseypass:

Dear Care and Feeding,

My 7-year-old son is in Cub Scouts and loves it; me, not so much. It seems to go against everything I've been trying to teach my boys. There is a lot of God and patriotism. At every meeting they promise to be clean and reverent, to do their duty to God and be morally straight, which makes me cringe. We are atheists, which the program technically bans. Up until recently the Boy Scouts also had anti-gay policies. It seems like a no-brainer that this group isn't for us, but my son loves it. Our "den" gives the option of community service instead of going to church for the "Duty to God" badge. Other than the pledge in the beginning, we have really enjoyed the family friendly activities, projects, and group campouts. I've heard comments about masks and losing freedoms, I've seen a Let's Go Brandon flag in a leader's garage, but overall everyone has been friendly and welcoming and hasn't talked politics.

I've talked to my son about why I don't think we should continue, but he is 7 and just wants to build cars and go fishing. It doesn't help that his best friends' parents are the leaders of the program. With the recent Supreme Court rulings, I just can't stomach these meetings anymore. He is supposed to march in the Fourth of July parade and I have no desire to celebrate America right now. I've checked and cannot find any similar groups in our area. My husband says it would be wrong to make him quit because of my beliefs. But he is 7, isn't it my job to teach him my morals? I'm so torn on what to do!

--- A Mom Just Trying to Do the Right Thing

Dear Just Trying,

Since each Boy Scout troop takes its own approach to the rules and traditions of the national organization, I'm not going to try to explore or debate the positions of the national organization, because that's not the heart of your question. Your question is really whether your discomfort with the national organization is reason enough to pull your kid out of the local program, so the local is what I'm going to focus on.

It is your job to teach your son your morals, but at some point it's also your job to let him codify his own set of values, which may or may not line up with yours. Don't worry, I'm not suggesting that your 7-year-old is ready for that! But I think having an eye toward that future point is your best course of action here. It sounds like you can be reasonably certain that the den leaders, or at least one of them, have different political beliefs than you, but that at least so far those beliefs have not entered the Scout activities. Same goes for the religious elements inherent in the program---in fact your den made some accommodations for your family so that your son could fully participate. Although I understand your discomfort, I'm not sure now is the time to pull him out of the program. If these leaders continue to be respectful of political boundaries and your religious beliefs, then there seems very little danger, at least for now, that your son would pick up anything objectionable to you. And it sounds like both the activities themselves and the other boys in the group are motivational for your son.

I think this is one of those situations where you can let your son continue to be involved with the Scouts while also continuing to speak with him and read with him about the social and moral perspectives you want him to adopt as he grows. Keep an open dialogue and involve him in activism to the extent you are comfortable. In doing so, he may come to question the Boy Scouts' "shtick" all on his own and find another activity. Or, he may continue to be involved in Scouts, but also grow up to be a rabid liberal, in which case he has learned a really important skill: how to coexist, collaborate, and have meaningful relationships with people who have different views than oneself.

I don't mean to downplay your discomfort at the rhetoric of certain political factions and recent events regarding a person's rights---I share it. But I'm also not convinced that the lesson you want to teach your son, or these other parents, is that you feel the need to isolate yourself away from anyone who seems like they vote "R." So long as these leaders and parents create a respectful space for people of all beliefs, you can wait until your son is old enough to make a decision about his association with the group for himself.

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we have really enjoyed the family friendly activities, projects, and group campouts.


overall everyone has been friendly and welcoming and hasn’t talked politics.


My husband says it would be wrong to make him quit because of my beliefs.


I’m so torn on what to do!

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Don’t you get it chud? Since they’re not actively talking about how to be anti-racist and anti-Nazi, they are heckin’ racist fascist Nazis!!!

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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to not punch the people they deem to be Nazis in the street

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That's a bardfinn quote, I've literally verbatim seen them type 'if you're not an anti-racist that means you're fine with racism.'

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This is what caused me to just lean into active racism

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The Scouts have been able to divest from a lot of stuff they've been wanting to by cutting ties with the Mormon Church.

The majority of Scout Troops are under religious charters, and the majority of religious charters were Mormon, 2nd place to the Methodists.

However the Mormons had the system rigged. The typical weekly meeting size should be around 30, whereas Mormons were around 11. While they had more troops than anyone else, their troops were undersized.

I did Scouts, and I got to shoot guns, ride horses, learn to take peepee, do some swimming, do some 50+ mile hikes, etc.

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Indian guides was better because it was racist against redskins and the dads got more drunk. Some lil b-word told on me for starting tiny fires with my flint in boy scouts. You wouldn't see that type of gaywad bullshit in the Indian Guides. Yatahe, brothers.

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I made napalm in my dad's toolshed and brought it to a Grand Canyon hike. The leaders were somewhat concerned with my big jar of pink goo, until it snowed and I could start fires with wet, green wood.

Be prepared, mother fricker.

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If I had ten divisions of men like you our troubles here would be over very quickly.

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if you had 10 divisions like me, nobody would have eyebrows or fingers

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In my boy scout troop a kid brought a balloon full of hydrochloric acid and threw it in another kid's face for insulting him, like a true habibi

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if you said he showed up with all his fingers I still wouldn't believe you

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If you don't want to believe me, that's your problem. I'm not going to waste my breath trying to convince you of something you clearly don't want to believe.

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I did Scouts, and I got to shoot guns, ride horses, learn to take peepee, do some swimming, do some 50+ mile hikes, etc.

all we got was molested! :marseyitsover:


Follower of Christ :marseyandjesus: Tech lover, IT Admin, heckin pupper lover and occasionally troll. I hold back feelings or opinions, right or wrong because I dislike conflict.

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at least you didnt sign up for the bear scouts like me

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>"please anyone tell me the fastest way thru a divorce!!!"

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mommy i want to cut my peepee off and wear a dress

of course Jeff- i mean Stiffany. Youre so valid! I hope you get fricked by all the boys too

mommy i want to tie a knot

What the FRICK?! Mamma didnt raise a fricking boy scout. I need to send you off to art school to get scared GAY

Just writing a Madtv skit

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slate

Bait article meant to generate outrage and clicks

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I'm glad Mike Pesca got kicked from them. What a story.

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did we finally hang Mike Pesca

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He got kicked out from under Slate because he argued in his work chat that some reporter shouldn't have gotten fired for saying a slur, and that theoretically there are times in journ*lism when it's more appropriate to say the slur than spell it.

His coworkers leapt at the opportunity to tear someone down and let a cancel campaign and got him fired.

He restarted his show a year later.

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:marseychonkerfoid:

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Legit a head scratcher to me how drag shows for kids became socially acceptable while wearing a flag patch while tying knots or whatever became uncomfortably fash within the span of a decade

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Society changed the manner in which children are to be molested.

Used to be in a tent by an assistant scout master, now it’s a weirdo in tights at the library

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It’s the fact that most children are watching hardcore internet porn by 9. You don’t need to be physically touched to be prematurely sexualised

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The total amount of Libertarianism in the Universe remains constant, merely changing from one form to another

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Every day, we stray further from God's light

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Or, he may continue to be involved in Scouts, but also grow up to be a rabid liberal, in which case he has learned a really important skill: how to coexist, collaborate, and have meaningful relationships with people who have different views than oneself.

Silly advice writer. That's a skill she doesn't want him to learn!

She's incapable of spending more than five seconds in a room with someone she disagrees with about literally anything without raging the frick out, and she wants her son to grow up to be the exact same way.

After all, misery loves company.

:#marseywitchtriggered: :#marseywhirlyhat: :#!marseygrilling2:

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Boy Scouts is a weekly session to explore broad topics which could turn into a profession, or maybe just a hobby.

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being an eagle scout can help you get some of your college paid for and even help with a job out of college. You'll get made fun of but if you like it you do you

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I'm an Eagle. Nobody gives a shit.

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Same, literally has never come up.

I have heard its an instant promotion if I ever turn into a boot though

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You graduate boot camp as Private First Class, which means the the Senior Piece of Shit.

Positive points for ROTC and OTC consideration.

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In spookworld it has come up for me as a sign of my good character

... but I think spookworld is equally rslurred with badges and ranks so your mileage may vary

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Which is funny because the only difficult part of it is the project. I got every single merit badge I needed from a couple years of summer camp and never earned a single one on my own time lol. It said nothing about me besides that I managed to stick it out for 8 years

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being able to hit layups for years without getting frustrated by endless meetings or stupid rituals is what civil service is all about

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The thing that almost broke me is when at some point in the early 2000s it turned into a bunch of poor trailer trash dropping off their problem kids for daycare like it was a military school that was going to whip them into shape.

When I first joined it was a bunch of dorky middle class kids learning camping and by the time I was a patrol leader I had to wrangle kids who went on to spend time in juvie. One of which turned into an actual arsonist while in my patrol

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The thing that almost broke me is when at some point in the early 2000s it turned into a bunch of poor trailer trash dropping off their problem kids for daycare like it was a military school that was going to whip them into shape.

darn this is so accurate lol.


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Haha stupid cringe Eagle Scout. Why don't ya spread your wings and blow an egg out your butt. Cringe dummy Eagle Scout!

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Fellow eagle chad

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I feel like being an Eagle scout used to be a big deal. I wanted to be one, up until I got kicked out for being gay.

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Being an eagle just tells everyone you're a cringe nerd that still wears long socks and shorts at the age of 17.

It's also expensive to get that far in scouts. They really nickel and dime you on all sorts of bullshit you can only get at The Official Scouts Store.

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>Part of an outdoors organization

>Still Fat.

Fricking how?

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No amount of exercise can overcome a diet of copious corn and high fructose corn syrup, much less hiking at most once a week.

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Institutionalised insulin and leptin resistance :marseyitsover:

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My younger brothers were in it and didnt have to buy shit besides their uniform to get eagle.

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Parents trying to push their own dumb moral values onto their kids, what else is new.

:#marseyeyeroll::#marseycringe2:

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Most scout troops are about as connected to god as your kid gets saying the pledge of allegiance. They're pretty much religious in name only.

Taking your kid out of 10+ years of activities they (and you) enjoy because of a couple lines in a pledge here and there is the most r-slurred thing I've ever heard.

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Well, it's a woman, just wait 5 minutes and something more r-slurred will come out.

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Excuse me sweaty, mentioning God even once in the pledgeof allegiance to the amerikkkan flag is basically a state religion, so

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but he is 7 and just wants to build cars and go fishing

based

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Kid was born to be a based centrist :#marseygrilling2:

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She's going to be so fricking sorry she didn't pull him out of scouts when he starts acting like a cormac mccarthy novel when he's in high school, all trapping wolves and riding horses all over mexico and shit. She's going to try to talk him out of it and he's going to spend like 10 pages describing how dumb she is.

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Lol, scouts are some of the biggest fricking nerds ever at this point. My oldest is the only weebalo so he just goes to the full scout meeting. Half the kids wear cross with socks and their shirts tucked into their shorts. Then there's the kid who wears his pants at his nippers so the cuff is above his ankles, and there's a dude who always wears a tie and fedora with a feather in it. But they're all super fricking nice and make sure to include my son even though he's way younger. My daughter went to Wolf camp and all the counselors are basically theater and band nerds. I have no idea why people think scouts are all hoo-rah Murica, football loving, rugged Trumper types.

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Women shouldn't be allowed to raise children.


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Women shouldn't be

Could've stopped there.

:#marseyextinction: :#marseyextinction: :#marseyextinction:

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The other day I had the idea for /r/atheistparentschristiankids as a bait sub, but I was waiting for the next thread where people more industrious than I asked for suggestions.

Basically your average reddit parent freaking out cause their kid had found God. This hammers home that the idea has merit!

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Do the same idea, but as zoomer kids rebelling against their parents by going trad - think post titles like "today I snuck out to go to Church bc my parents forbade it". It could work, and you might even recruit some soldiers for christ lol

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>Should I let my child get indoctrinated by Christians? He really enjoys it!

>Should I let my child eat McDonalds for every meal? He really enjoys it!

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:marseypearlclutch: how dare they teach my child valuable things without talking politics

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Better idea force the son to quit cub scouts and make him attend girl scout meetings to realize how his title as a (((cub scout))) is really just a pipeline to male aggression and hatred towards female identifying people (people who have ovaries but dont identify as w*man)

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As a certified woman-hater myself (I have a certificate!) I like the idea of teaching males from a young age to push themselves into female-only spaces.

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Atheists cant sneed

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Boy Scouts is literally a nativisthomo grooming operation, @pizzashill and I have discussed the problematic group at length

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:#kazakhstan::#kazakhstan::#kazakhstan:

:#marseyextinction::#marseyextinction::#marseyextinction:

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Snapshots:

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Man that's a really solid answer.

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My kids wants to help the community, what am i doing wrong?

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Do you think the mom ever volunteers and helps out, or just sits in the back and seethes?

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She drops him off outside the den house and comes back in an hour.

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That responder is pretty cool.

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they promise to be clean and reverent, to do their duty to God and be morally straight, which makes me cringe.

We are atheists.

Same energy as

they listen to satanic music and play evil video games

this is a Christian household

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