Over the last few days, there's been a lot of discussion about kiwifarms being taken offline by Cloudflare. As is expected from HN, the average response was one appalled by the apparent free speech violation, and a general concern for the precedent being set.
While I understand the sentiment, and have thought the same in the past ( with Aaron Swartz or Chelsea Manning); I want to pose an alternative question: What's the precedence set by continuing to do business with kiwifarms?
Over the last few days there's been a lot I've wanted to say, but I felt like I couldn't speak. I've been on HN for the better part of a decade, but I can't say anything as myself. Instead I need to use a throwaway account and only connect over a VPN, because I'm a trans woman talking about kiwifarms.
I've seen how dangerous it can be for a trans woman to stick her head up. I've watched friends and strangers alike be harassed, attacked, SWAT'd, and doxxed. Not public figures (though they don't deserve death threats either), just regular trans people trying to live their lives and speak their experiences.
I no longer feel like I can speak up, for fear of illegal reprisals. Why should they be allowed to infringe on my rights? Why should I have to hide?
Cloudflair's decision to stop doing business with kiwifarms is a step towards free speech, not away.
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If you're afraid to speak up, then that's just consequence culture working as intended sweetie
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Seriously, where do these people get off acting like they haven't been advocating a culture-wide chilling effect on contentious speech by public shaming, snitching, harassing, leaking private conversations, etc. Trans people especially have been working overtime (and often for free) to make sure people convicted of wrongthink get lynched.
Kiwifarms hasn't killed, swatted, hacked, or threatened anybody but that doesn't stop this person from putting on a histrionic tantrum to try to drum up support for shutting down the chud site. "I no longer feel like I can speak up" or what, the women on that site will make fun of how poorly you dress and apply makeup? Give me a break.
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also isnt this kind of contradicting their point that free speech isnt freedom from consequences?
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It was always a stupid position. Literally all freedoms are measured by "freedom from consequences," otherwise just do something and accept the consequences.
"Ah," my fake opponent replies, "I only mean freedom from legal consequences."
Still a stupid position because the same people who argue that "free speech means no government consequences" then advocate for government meddling in company affairs, often through threat of regulation.
What's gigabrained stupid, though, is that the people spouting that position on free speech care endlessly about de facto effects elsewhere, like racially, gender-wise, etc. The fact that the government doesn't directly and legally discriminate is cold comfort when society wants other things.
Free speech is freedom from a substantial proportion of public and private consequences. WTF is free speech supposed to be if the only consequence you avoid is jail?
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In the ideal blockclerk system, you could just hold a vote and kick out any bigot spouting hate speech on your block.
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If there's a war against you, and you are unaware, you've already lost.
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pretty impressive that a black woman (the apex of oppression) invented the microscope, meanwhile i (obese white man with an IQ of 4, pooping and pissing in a diaper) cannot even invent gf
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lol i thought you said apes of oppression
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It’s about power. That’s it.
Lying about it works to further that power.
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It's a characteristic of psychopaths to have control over people.
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They have slaughtered thousands, they even have killcounts in their profiles!!!
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Now I'm as seig heil-y as the next aryan, but I think you've been done wrong by people with poor reading comprehension.
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And don't forget all the heckin' cute and valid
rinos they r*ped!
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more transwomen (male) than transmen (female) tho
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I think you're stretching.
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Based Idi Amin's thought follower
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Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequence. In fact, it’s censorship that’s been freeing them from the consequences of their actions.
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Freedom is, when you think about it, in a way, it's slavery.
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Also, freedom is slavery to individual will.
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I've been perma'd from reddit and twitter. I catch 30 day "time outs" regularly from facebook. I care about and exercise free speech often.
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L ove you zchiggy
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I wish they’d just be honest and say they want everything that offends them banned. I feel like the 90’s Christians at least came closer for that. They’d say it’s offensive to my religion/God. There wasn’t word salad and mental gymnastics to explain how censoring every dissenting thought is actually promoting free speech.
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I think it's their cope trying to pretend that they're not the same as the censorship loving 90's Christians
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It's all about power
Motte and Bailey is effective
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They both hate JK Rowling too
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JK Rowling is the drama candidate
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We've become the church lady, offended by comedy and science.
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I think this is a good indicator where the 🚂will go next.
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Bardfinn unironically called Julian Assange a fascist accelerationist and got upmarseyd: https://www.undelete.pullpush.io/r/Fuckthealtright/comments/wnt2lp/rand_paul_wants_to_legalize_espionage_senator_you/ik7nrxf/
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Can they point me to some AHS style?
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90s Christians never had any real power and the "the right-wing was censoring things just like the left today" is just cope bullshit. TV shows weren't firing actors for offending Christians, the president wasn't boasting about supporting Christian rights and people weren't afraid to criticize Christianity (quite the opposite)
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They’ll get there soon enough
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Or just try not telling everyone you're trans for 5 seconds challenge IMPOSSIBLE
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Legit. They also have that urge to announce that they are a woman too tehee in in-game chats
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God these people are cute twinks, the OP is now in fear of "speaking up" because he's scared of " illegal reprisals"
Does he 1) Blame massive corporations for pooping all over freedom of speech for a decade straight, or 2) blame a small website who has actually been investigated multiple times by the feds and found to be doing nothing illegal???
He blames the shitty little website of course for ruining his free speech, because that's the easiest and most cowardly avenue to take. "Because of you we can't have nice things sweetie!!"
The part this dumb
leaves out of course, is anyone who disagrees with her is actually a threat to her free speech, that's actually what she meant to say.
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How much longer till the purity spiral destroys them all? I’m getting sick of this shit.
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Soviet Union lasted for 69 years. This ride will last your whole lifetime.
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Does this mean I get to watch the trans leftist old guard get mock trialed, gulag'd, and executed? Worth it.
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Yes but that comes after youre living in a pod eating bugs, and state sanctioned media wont tell you about it. If it does it will be a vague, tiny blurb on page 10B of the local paper, "state security intercepted [current thought crime] perpetrators last Sunday, 6 arrested in plot."
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What if I could speed it up by working harder against it?
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Work toward it. Accelerate
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What will happen is the person who is kicked out will kill themselves, and they will blame it on the Farms.
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The pendulum needs too swing back hard so all this corny TRANS LIVES MATTER shit goes away.
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I don't understand why
have such a hard time admitting that they're not interested in free speech whatsoever, anything that troubles them in the slightest must be destroyed, and any token free expression that remains must only convenience them.
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It’s because they’re hypocrites. They want to be able to say anything they want, but they don’t want anyone else to be able to say anything they disagree with.
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free speech
s agree with: grooming children on groomercord
free speech
s dont agree with: others calling them gross and weird
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Looks like the attempt at astroturfing HN into a trans dogma space is failing.
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its funny since HN is still like 70% pro-230 wannabe entrepreneurs trying to build the next great platform or old libertarian systems engineer neckbeards
the rest are programming socks react folx who spend their free time updating codes of conduct
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Snapshots:
archive.org
archive.ph (click to archive)
ghostarchive.org (click to archive)
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double plus good think
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This is an extreme form of
and it should not be legal to be this r-slurred
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Regular trans people trying to live their lives (grooming children) and speak their experiences (hiding the fact that they groom children.)
Then why can’t I speak? Why aren’t they allowing me to criticize them? Why can’t I “speak my experiences” with them? God, I wish I could punch someone to make this problem go away, but I know that’s not how it works.
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Yeah she makes it sound like a train minding its own business and not grooming kids is being harassed by KF. Like KF is making threads about "YALL RED ALERT I saw this TRANNER today at the store GETTEM FELLERS".
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holy frick the gas lighting in that speech. the cult of trans is responsible for like 90% of cancel culture but I can't speak up because i'll be harassed. frick almighty hurry up and neck yourself.
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lol, everyone else is malding ITT. Oh well!
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this is not a joke?
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Anyone have that thread where the head of Cloudflare came in and said KF violated SESTA or some shit? I feel like with all the outrage and hysteria, nobody's trying to do real investigative journ*lism (lel) on the deets. The closest I saw was someone assuming Kef found some real dirt on Cloudflare and blackmailed them.
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The only problem there is with free speech is that people use it
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