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White House unveils principles for Big Tech reform :marseybiden2::marseyobey:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/09/08/readout-of-white-house-listening-session-on-tech-platform-accountability

Orange site: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32771071

Although tech platforms can help keep us connected, create a vibrant marketplace of ideas, and open up new opportunities for bringing products and services to market, they can also divide us and wreak serious real-world harms. The rise of tech platforms has introduced new and difficult challenges, from the tragic acts of violence linked to toxic online cultures, to deteriorating mental health and wellbeing, to basic rights of Americans and communities worldwide suffering from the rise of tech platforms big and small.

Today, the White House convened a listening session with experts and practitioners on the harms that tech platforms cause and the need for greater accountability. In the meeting, experts and practitioners identified concerns in six key areas: competition; privacy; youth mental health; misinformation and disinformation; illegal and abusive conduct, including sexual exploitation; and algorithmic discrimination and lack of transparency.

One participant explained the effects of anti-competitive conduct by large platforms on small and mid-size businesses and entrepreneurs, including restrictions that large platforms place on how their products operate and potential innovation. Another participant highlighted that large platforms can use their market power to engage in rent-seeking, which can influence consumer prices.

Several participants raised concerns about the rampant collection of vast troves of personal data by tech platforms. Some experts tied this to problems of misinformation and disinformation on platforms, explaining that social media platforms maximize "user engagement" for profit by using personal data to display content tailored to keep users' attention---content that is often sensational, extreme, and polarizing. Other participants sounded the alarm about risks for reproductive rights and individual safety associated with companies collecting sensitive personal information, from where their users are physically located to their medical histories and choices. Another participant explained why mere self-help technological protections for privacy are insufficient. And participants highlighted the risks to public safety that can stem from information recommended by platforms that promotes radicalization, mobilization, and incitement to violence.

Multiple experts explained that technology now plays a central role in access to critical opportunities like job openings, home sales, and credit offers, but that too often companies' algorithms display these opportunities unequally or discriminatorily target some communities with predatory products. The experts also explained that that lack of transparency means that the algorithms cannot be scrutinized by anyone outside the platforms themselves, creating a barrier to meaningful accountability.

One expert explained the risks of social media use for the health and wellbeing of young people, explaining that while for some, technology provides benefits of social connection, there are also significant adverse clinical effects of prolonged social media use on many children and teens' mental health, as well as concerns about the amount of data collected from apps used by children, and the need for better guardrails to protect children's privacy and prevent addictive use and exposure to detrimental content. Experts also highlighted the magnitude of illegal and abusive conduct hosted or disseminated by platforms, but for which they are currently shielded from being held liable and lack adequate incentive to reasonably address, such as child sexual exploitation, cyberstalking, and the non-consensual distribution of intimate images of adults.

The White House officials closed the meeting by thanking the experts and practitioners for sharing their concerns. They explained that the Administration will continue to work to address the harms caused by a lack of sufficient accountability for technology platforms. They further stated that they will continue working with Congress and stakeholders to make bipartisan progress on these issues, and that President Biden has long called for fundamental legislative reforms to address these issues.

Attendees at today's meeting included:

  • Bruce Reed, Assistant to the President & Deputy Chief of Staff

  • Susan Rice, Assistant to the President & Domestic Policy Advisor

  • Brian Deese, Assistant to the President & National Economic Council Director

  • Louisa Terrell, Assistant to the President & Director of the Office of Legislative Affairs

  • Jennifer Klein, Deputy Assistant to the President & Director of the Gender Policy Council

  • Alondra Nelson, Deputy Assistant to the President & Head of the Office of Science and Technology Policy

  • Bharat Ramamurti, Deputy Assistant to the President & Deputy National Economic Council Director

  • Anne Neuberger, Deputy National Security Advisor for Cyber and Emerging Technology

  • Tarun Chhabra, Special Assistant to the President & Senior Director for Technology and National Security

  • Dr. Nusheen Ameenuddin, Chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics Council on Communications and Media

  • Danielle Citron, Vice President, Cyber Civil Rights Initiative, and Jefferson Scholars Foundation Schenck Distinguished Professor in Law Caddell and Chapman Professor of Law, University of Virginia School of Law

  • Alexandra Reeve Givens, President and CEO, Center for Democracy and Technology

  • Damon Hewitt, President and Executive Director, Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law

  • Mitchell Baker, CEO of the Mozilla Corporation and Chairwoman of the Mozilla Foundation

  • Karl Racine, Attorney General for the District of Columbia

  • Patrick Spence, Chief Executive Officer, Sonos

Principles for Enhancing Competition and Tech Platform Accountability

With the event, the Biden-Harris Administration announced the following core principles for reform:

  1. Promote competition in the technology sector. The American information technology sector has long been an engine of innovation and growth, and the U.S. has led the world in the development of the Internet economy. Today, however, a small number of dominant Internet platforms use their power to exclude market entrants, to engage in rent-seeking, and to gather intimate personal information that they can use for their own advantage. We need clear rules of the road to ensure small and mid-size businesses and entrepreneurs can compete on a level playing field, which will promote innovation for American consumers and ensure continued U.S. leadership in global technology. We are encouraged to see bipartisan interest in Congress in passing legislation to address the power of tech platforms through antitrust legislation.

  2. Provide robust federal protections for Americans' privacy. There should be clear limits on the ability to collect, use, transfer, and maintain our personal data, including limits on targeted advertising. These limits should put the burden on platforms to minimize how much information they collect, rather than burdening Americans with reading fine print. We especially need strong protections for particularly sensitive data such as geolocation and health information, including information related to reproductive health. We are encouraged to see bipartisan interest in Congress in passing legislation to protect privacy.

  3. Protect our kids by putting in place even stronger privacy and online protections for them, including prioritizing safety by design standards and practices for online platforms, products, and services. Children, adolescents, and teens are especially vulnerable to harm. Platforms and other interactive digital service providers should be required to prioritize the safety and wellbeing of young people above profit and revenue in their product design, including by restricting excessive data collection and targeted advertising to young people.

  4. Remove special legal protections for large tech platforms. Tech platforms currently have special legal protections under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act that broadly shield them from liability even when they host or disseminate illegal, violent conduct or materials. The President has long called for fundamental reforms to Section 230.

  5. Increase transparency about platform's algorithms and content moderation decisions.  Despite their central role in American life, tech platforms are notoriously opaque. Their decisions about what content to display to a given user and when and how to remove content from their sites affect Americans' lives and American society in profound ways. However, platforms are failing to provide sufficient transparency to allow the public and researchers to understand how and why such decisions are made, their potential effects on users, and the very real dangers these decisions may pose.

  6. Stop discriminatory algorithmic decision-making. We need strong protections to ensure algorithms do not discriminate against protected groups, such as by failing to share key opportunities equally, by discriminatorily exposing vulnerable communities to risky products, or through persistent surveillance.

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in six key areas: competition; privacy; youth mental health; misinformation and disinformation; illegal and abusive conduct, including sexual exploitation; and algorithmic discrimination and lack of transparency

Dropping the :n: word you’ll get arrested lamo

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1-5 sound good

6 sounds like red meat tossed to yt pipo which is why it’ll be the only one that’ll get done

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4 sounds horrible

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This is what Trump and rightiods wanted. Either way this is going to be a shit show.

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whatever the govt tries to do here, it's going to frick it up.

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I am going to become the Joker.

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Based radical centrism. Foids cant kill their babies anymore, chuds cant bully vulnerable minorities with cyberslurs. All is balanced.

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>Stop discriminatory algorithmic decision-making.

which in practice means "implement explicit discrimination if non-discrimination doesn't yield equality of outcome"

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Disagree with the 230 shit but data gathering, child protection, and Amazon needs split up. Also all sites should have an 'opt in to the algorithm' so you don't create mindless attention scrolls.

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Yeah I liked most of what I read but I think the real concern is how they go about implementing it, because I doubt it will be as even handed and reasonable as this overview sounds.

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Yep unless one of the people in the group is EFF I don't trust it. Bunch of "I left a FAANG a year ago to work for the govt" mfers

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Aren't most of the things they mention (aside from discrimination) stuff dramatards tend to ree about?

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@carpathianflorist hated the Babylon Bee but they’ve been proven right about Biden. He really is a Nazi.

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The Bee is completely unfunny and its writers are all joyless 95-105 IQ morons but Reddit screeching about them almost made me unblock them here


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>Remove special :marseycarpautism: legal protections for large tech :marseycodecellove: platforms. Tech :marseycodecellove: platforms currently have special :marseywhirlyhat: legal protections under :marseyhandsup: Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act that broadly shield :marsey300: them from liability even when they host or disseminate illegal, violent :marseyderanged: conduct or materials.

Close registrations, close them now

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:mars#eyfugg:

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Lol I can't even bring myself to joke about this, internet freedom is my sacred cow. :marseypearlclutch2: The outcome of this meeting could finally destroy the last bastions of free thought online, and make the whole thing worthless.

I guess it's time to start transitioning over to the dark web for everything I do online.

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Wow, the attendees are a collection of turboghouls.

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Ahem

FRICK :marseyfuckyou: JANNIES

FRICK :marseyfuckyou: JOE BIDEN

Thank you :marseythumbsup:

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Wow look at that. Not a single point about privacy. Neat.

I hate the dems so much it's unreal. Hate the repubs too.

Edit: I'm an actual :marseybrainlet: who somehow skipped the first point. fwiw I don't consider the kids thing privacy related, more like "only brainwash kids with approved messages".

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English, motherlover, can you read it.

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Apparently not. Stop being so ableist.

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Wow look at that. Not a single point about privacy. Neat.

  1. Provide robust federal protections for Americans' privacy. There should be clear limits on the ability to collect, use, transfer, and maintain our personal data, including limits on targeted advertising. These limits should put the burden on platforms to minimize how much information they collect, rather than burdening Americans with reading fine print. We especially need strong protections for particularly sensitive data such as geolocation and health information, including information related to reproductive health. We are encouraged to see bipartisan interest in Congress in passing legislation to protect privacy.
  1. Protect our kids by putting in place even stronger privacy and online protections for them, including prioritizing safety by design standards and practices for online platforms, products, and services. Children, adolescents, and teens are especially vulnerable to harm. Platforms and other interactive digital service providers should be required to prioritize the safety and wellbeing of young people above profit and revenue in their product design, including by restricting excessive data collection and targeted advertising to young people.

At least two points about privacy are mentioned.

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We are sending our finest.

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:#marseyretard2::!#marseysmoothbrain:

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Unironically we need a data :marseychartgaussian: tax of $.02/mb for first :marseywinner: 30 days, $.10/mb after 30 days, and $.20/mb after 2 years.

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Internet and mobile phones becoming cheap and widely accessible is responsible for the current state of things.

As usual, the poors ruin everything their get their mitts on.

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The gov doesn't own, operate or maintain internet infrastructure, what would the justification for that tax look like?

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The government literally made the internet but ok sweaty

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Invention and implementation aren't the same thing, hon :marseynails:

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When has that stopped them before?

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All US citizens are gov't property, and the CIA is sad that big tech :marseycodecellove: stole their schtick :marseycry:.

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Like this paypig.

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Pay or get shot LMAO.

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Pretty convincing ngl

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Stop discriminatory algorithmic decision-making. We need strong protections to ensure algorithms do not discriminate against protected groups, such as by failing to share key opportunities equally, by discriminatorily exposing vulnerable communities to risky products, or through persistent surveillance.

Do they actually have examples of this happening?

The problematic algorithms I'm familiar with are the ones that try to keep users as angry as possible so they'll "engage" more with content.

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Insurances and job and other kinds of digital adversiment can be targeted on certain races or age groups, so the people you dont want , but cannot legally discriminate against, wont even see it.

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Fcae ID algos comparing BIPOC to gorillas and chimps need to be sent to sensitivity training to dechud it

:chudsey:

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>youth mental :marseyschizowave: health

Oh cool, he's finally addressing how :!marseytrain:s :marseytrans2: groom children :marseykermit: online!

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Protect our kids by putting in place even stronger privacy and online protections for them, including prioritizing safety by design standards and practices for online platforms, products, and services.

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The President has long called for fundamental reforms to Section 230.

Drumpf vindicated.

However, platforms are failing to provide sufficient transparency to allow the public and researchers to understand how and why such decisions are made, their potential effects on users, and the very real dangers these decisions may pose.

They're private companies, sweaty. People can stop using them if they're so concerned about their effects.

We need strong protections to ensure algorithms do not discriminate against protected groups, such as by failing to share key opportunities equally, by discriminatorily exposing vulnerable communities to risky products, or through persistent surveillance.

:#marseyeyeroll2:

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Does that mean the government will stop spying on us?

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>Remove special legal protections for large tech platforms. Tech platforms currently have special legal protections under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act that broadly shield them from liability even when they host or disseminate illegal, violent conduct or materials. The President has long called for fundamental reforms to Section 230.

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I like points 1 and 2.

3, nobody is forcing you or your children to use faceberg, snapfap or instragram. Why should we make legislation to force tech companies to do things the parents are responsible for. (Guide and protect their kids online)

5 and 6 should be up to the digression of the online service. As annoying the problems they outlined are, there isn't any good reason the government should be dictating HOW you chose to run your service. If the users don't like it, they can move. (how would they enforce this?)

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1 & 2 seem like meaningless gestures. If you increase costs on those companies, then you'll get less quality, so maybe it's good if social media becomes so miserable that less will use it. Or they may shift to a subscription model that locks features away from the free riders.

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3, nobody is forcing you or your children to use faceberg, snapfap or instragram. Why should we make legislation to force tech companies to do things the parents are responsible for. (Guide and protect their kids online)

By that same logic it shouldn't be illegal for children to view porn etc?

While it would be nice if parents parented their children more we must accept that relying on them to is a fools errand.

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The extremes have already been accounted for. Porn is already illegal for minors (same as alcohol, nicotine, etc) because there is enough evidence to reasonably assert it is harmful to their suggestive and developing minds.

The dangers of social media and cyberspace aren't always so obvious. And unlike porn and drugs, the internet has plethora of constructive and productive uses, so you can't just blanket ban minors. Online platforms (and the internet in general) are too big and too diverse (for lack of better word) for it to be possible to "protect the children" without implementing such restrictive policies that those platforms would become more cumbersome and invasive than most users would be comfortable with. (And despite being illegal, minors continue to get their hands on porn, alcohol and drugs anyway. Kinda seems like legislation doesn't stop people from doing whatever they want. :marseythinkorino:)

Depending on parents to fulfill their responsibilities as parents is the most reasonable solution. The alternative is relying the government to parent our children for us (what could they do that a parent can't?). There is no perfect solution to this problem, therefore we should chose the most reasonable solution.

It is not reasonable to enact policies that affects everyone because a minority of parents are shitty, and it is naive to expect the government to protect our children for us.

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Just ban children

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>faceberg

Aevann ran a chud award train on me last time I said that.

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Because you're a boring rightoid agendaposter

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You wouldn't know fun if it gave you monkeypox.

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@Aevann BIPOC negro

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Aevann likes me more than you :marseysmug2:

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Jealous?

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any child under the age of 18 should only be allowed to use CoolMathGames.com, under adult supervision ofc.

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I kind of it unironically agree with this. Coolmathgames and Wikipedia. No gay piss orgies until you're 18; only then do you get your prolapseparty.com certificates.

No idea how to enforce this, though, without also breaking society in a 1984 way.


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Lol you can find a lot of adult content on wikipedia

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Yeah, like s*x positions and bukkake. But reading about champagne-glass titties in Song of Solomon and where the clitoris is on Wikipedia isn't exactly akin to getting groomed into a furry or :marseytrain:.


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:#marseyrage:

Snapshots:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32771071:

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Its over for you, snaps.:marppybiden:

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Remove special legal protections for large tech platforms. Tech platforms currently have special legal protections under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act that broadly shield them from liability even when they host or disseminate illegal, violent conduct or materials. The President has long called for fundamental reforms to Section 230.

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Good

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Good luck removing Section 230 and also keeping the social media landscape competitive when now have massive compliance costs associated with it in order to do due diligence regarding moderation.

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Oh I was mentioning potential extreme reportmaxxing. If Section 230 was repealed, I'd leave the internet apart from a few sites and touch grass, maybe start using the dark web.

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Imagine having to use the dark web to talk about obese youtubers. No idea how antibully culture has got this out of control, but the Supreme Court bullies need to step in here and bully some cute twinks better.


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Isn't this what trump was saying he would do and people were losing their minds?

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we just thought trump was doing it cause he got banned from twitter and was angy, but no they're just pushing for this unilaterally apparently

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:#marseyhorseshoe:

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we live in anti-centrist dramaphobic time bros... :marseycry::marseyscared:

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It’s high time to make a dramaphilic society where radical centrism is the core tenet of common law. Imagine a world where instead of posting online about insane drama, you will be able to convene with fellow dramatard neighbors over fences or at summertime barbecues where we can discuss online drama IRL without cringing to death because everyone has autism anyway and you won’t have to worry about an outsider being confused or judging you for talking about :marseytrain: drama 24/7.

Unfortunately, foids enjoy drama too much, and with having a bunch of smiling laughing women around, I just don’t see how this society could function.

:marseysigh: dramatopia forever 😔✊

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I am going to start using the shit out of /h/chudrama entirely because of this. Eat shit Brandon.


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How dare you hide chuds to scream at from me.

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Stop discriminatory algorithmic decision-making

It's quotes like this that tell you it's a bunch of empty words rather than a plan. Just watch this go nowhere in 2 years.

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