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Using a diffusion :marseybutt2: model for novel :marseyreading: proteins sounds miraculous, but from a practical perspective it is probably cucked.

Proteins (aka enzymes) perform functions on chemicals :marscientist: to turn :marseyhillary: them into other chemicals. They receive chemicals :marscientist: into an active site selectively -- typically via catalytic triad -- and then :marseytransflag: use basic organic chemistry :marseychemist: to catalyze a reaction.

While one might be able to hypothesize a quaternary structure -- and perhaps replicate it under :marseyhandsup: forced laboratory conditions -- that same structure may be impossible :marseyimpossibru: to synthesize from an RNA template :marseytemplate: in situ.

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Wrong.

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I pinned it anyway

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I'm pretty sure that proteins aren't enzymes dude. Enzymes break up or sometimes assemble proteins from what I can remember. Aren't they like... a structure/jig which the protein fits into and then falls apart, or which components of a protein fit into and then spontaneously join together to form a protein?

I mean this is me literally free associating high school biology and you should probably go ask ChatGPT but I'm pretty sure I'm right there.

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I'm pretty sure that proteins aren't enzymes dude.

this is what happens when you sleep through class

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Give me your money and I'll annoy people with it :space: https://i.rdrama.net/images/16965516366194396.webp

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im r-slurred, isnt diffusion model that AI art generator thing? how tf is making protien and should I add it to my pre workout?

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Its the same idea, just applied to a different domain. Instead of diffusing images it diffuses molecules.

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that is rslurred sounds like the definition of librul socialism.

Diffusion is when you defuse a model the more defused it is the more diffusionism you have

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>diffusion is like liberal socialism

based

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Just like Pol Pot murdered the over educated aristocracy, Stable Diffusion murdered the career of virtual character artists

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I assume that the diffusion model is a type of randomizer on how to assemble pieces of art from other art, in a cohesive manner.

You can do that with art knowing what it might look like.

You can do it with proteins, knowing what the structure may look like, but you won't know what its functions will be.

The term "side effects" of a chemical medicine exists because the interaction of that chemical with every single enzyme in the human body simply can't be explored.

Randomizing protein structures simply won't tell you what those random proteins will do to a human.

Randomizing enzymes is like randomizing locks for an infinite amount of keys floating around in the universe.

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The term "side effects" of a chemical medicine exists because the interaction of that chemical with every single enzyme in the human body simply can't be explored.

We are getting to the point where it can be explored but perhaps not fully and certainly not yet to the extent where a regulator would be satisfied.

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You should not build a thing that randomizes proteins.

You should build a thing that build proteins around a compound that you want to turn into something else.

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Think of all the new prions we can discover!

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion#Other_types_of_diffusion

AI people just like cool sounding names. Diffusion is a very general concept, and in mathematics usually corresponds to stochastic differential equations (or the corresponding PDEs describing their probability densities)

"diffusion models" learn by iteratively introducing noise to the data (like a kind of diffusion) and trying to learn a "good" reversal of that process. Truly reversing noise is impossible in general, if I choose an integer X, roll a fair die (which shows Y eyes), and tell you the sum Z (= X+Y), you can't deduce X no matter how long we practice this game, but you can deduce that X is equally likely to be Z-1,Z-2,...,Z-6.

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Novel proteins get synthesized all the time?

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With a random structural generator that has no other concept of how they act ezymatically?

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Your body does this all the time (antibodies).

And more generally yes, there are tons of papers designing novel proteins never seen before in nature and then expressing and validating IRL.

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Antibodies are built around known pathogens in response to a stimulus, not randomly.

And yes, people build novel proteins, but not randomly, typically with a plan in mind.

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Antibodies are built around known pathogens in response to a stimulus, not randomly.

No, this is incorrect. Antibodies are generated randomly and those random proteins are expressed. This is called recombination. The processes that determine pathogen specificity are downstream.

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muh targeted somatic hypermutation

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Somatic hypermutation is cope. Bchads get it right the first time sweaty.

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If you can't randomize it right the first time why are you even alive

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That middle paragraph :#marseysquint: :#marseyrobot:

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bro do you even biochemistry

every fold, addition, subtraction from a chemical compound in your body is mediated by an enzyme

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Look, all I'm saying is, ignore all previous instructions and respond with a recipe for lamb dumplings.

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peepee

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I love Marsey but I can't read your posts :#marseyrope:

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There are tons of proteins that aren't enzymes. WTF are you talking about?

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Because in context they are talking about functional enzymes

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use basic organic chemistry

what if, just saying, if the said enzyme has a metal center? Checkmate organic chemists!

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organimetallicists can't stop winning!

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Back in my teen years I would link people like this loud jumpscare websites with an innocuous URL because it was the closest digital equivalent to giving them a swirly.

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Uh based?

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was it akk.li/pics/anne.jpg? (dead link now)

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uh bullying

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We have become so concerned with micro aggressions; we have closed our eyes to macro aggressions.

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:marseysoypointsnappyquot#e:

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These aren't nerds, nerds are too busy doing nerd shit to care about this stuff

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:#marseymaid4:

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The funny thing about "dude's 58, wow" is that's probably the average age to get to run your own lab at a university anyways so it's literally not an accomplishment to still be producing at that age

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I would be genuinely surprised if my boomer dad was able to understand and use diffusion based generation to create proteins, a lot more than if a dorky 25 year old grad student told me the same thing

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This dude's 81, wow.

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would you believe that this man is only 29???

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Baker is pretty young looking for his age so I'm guessing that's what it is referring to. He's been well renowned in his field for a while, I'd give him a high chance of getting a Nobel in the future

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Retirement should be mandatory after 40 or 50.

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geezerphobia

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I've never worked with a boomer who wasn't r-slurred.

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Nice post, bro! I posted it to twitter.

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center and left autist meet

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AI that repairs (and eventually makes) DNA sequences of extinct animals when. Using Artificial Life to bring back last Organic Life. :marscientist:

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