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Wasn't there a big spergout over this a year ago and apple claimed they were using it to flag cp?

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Sure, and if it also happens to recognize facial signatures and firearms and narcotics or occasionally mistag your nudes and send them to Apple for review and data mining then that'll just be a coincidence. Save the kids everyone!

:#marseyclueless:

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Wow I'm sure fighting libertarianism hasn't been used to justify any other morally reprehensible acts :marseyclueless:

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There is only one way to fight libertarians... :#marseywoodchipper::#marseywoodchipper2:

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  • drug deals

  • (((terrorists)))

  • the children

  • the far right

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Newspapers are complaining about the Four Horsemen of the Infocalypse:

terrorists, libertarians, drug dealers, and money launderers

Lol. "Those darn... money launderers!!"

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I mean that is who you go after if you want to fight crime because everyone with illegal money has to wash it at some point.

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I launder money, AMA. :marseygangster:

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Me when I forget the penny in my pocket

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Is your "money laundering" just leaving money in your pants that your mom washes for you?

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Newspapers are the biggest money launderers in existence.

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They were going to do what most cloud services do which is scan uploaded images and match hash values with that known CP images. Or so they claimed.

Apple already scans your photos in iPhotos so when you search 'cat' using spotlight cat photos you took will show up under photos. As far as I know that isn’t an opt in feature and was done without consent.

I do have little snitch and I’ll check to see if the media thing got tripped on my Mac cause I don’t remember and I am posting on an autism support site

edit: I do have 'mediaanalysisd' :marseyscream: it last connected 80 minutes ago :marseytinfoil2:

from orange site

Some very cursory googling suggests that smoot.apple.com is used for Spotlight. My guess is this is actually the "visual look up" feature recently added to iOS and macOS, where Quick Look and other system apps will perform OCR on images, and will also attempt to recognize animals/plants/landmarks/etc and offer to look them up for you.

Taking a look at System Settings, it seems the relevant part of the privacy information for Spotlight is here:

When you use Siri Suggestions, Look Up, Visual Look Up, when you type in Search, Safari search, #images search in Messages, or when you invoke Spotlight, limited information will be sent to Apple to provide up-to-date suggestions. Any information sent to Apple does not identify you, and is associated with a 15-minute random, rotating device-generated identifier. This information may include location, topics of interest (for example, cooking or basketball), your search queries, including visual search queries, contextual information related to your search queries, suggestions you have selected, apps you use, and related device usage data to Apple. This information does not include search results that show files or content on your device. ...

This information is used to process your request and provide more relevant suggestions and search results, and is not linked to your Apple ID, email address, or other data Apple may have from your use of other Apple services.

My understanding is that any actual image recognition is done on-device, so the image itself (or any compressed/hashed version of it) is not sent to Apple. At worst, I suppose Apple might receive a list of features identified by the local image recognizer (i.e., "siamese cat", "eiffel tower")

I'd be curious if disabling "Siri Suggestions" would disable this. It seems like it should.

I think it's reasonable for very privacy-conscious people to be concerned about behavior like this, but it comes off as paranoid when you wildly jump to conclusions without doing even 5 minutes of research.

^ Basically what I assume is happening ^

edit2: oh no, it know's I'm talking about it

:marseyveryworried:

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They already do that, this particular spat was using AI to judge images and flag the sus ones

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I know. I just suspect the author of this piece is r-slurred and thinks Media Analysis Daemon is scanning for CP when it's just a machine learning update to identify cat photos better :marseyshrug:

His claim of not using the services isn't really good reasoning because my Mac has sent and received packets to 'weatherd' and 'newsd' today and I've used neither of those services today. It's just stuff a Mac will do in the background

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thinks Media Analysis Daemon is scanning for CP

It explicitly is doing that though, with some r-slurred algorithm that will net a shitton of false positives

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No, I think the author thinks that's what it's doing but it's been doing this for ages (bad or good is your call) but this is not the CP scanning.

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I don't care :marseygigachad: I'm going to spread misinformation on the internet

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CP = Cat Photos.

You’re all paranoid idiots.

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If it's a hash can't you defeat this by slightly changing a single pixel

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No, because they don't actually use a real hash anymore. They're an algorithm for similarity based on ML, they still have some weaknesses but they are pretty solid for recognition.

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Look up locality sensitive hashing and get your mind blown.

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I like "cat-like animal"

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Yes. Have fun with that.

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CP claims have been used by techs for decades and hoping most users like me don’t really give a shit that anything stored on a computer is being monitored by an AI.

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