https://sneak.berlin/20230115/macos-scans-your-local-files-now
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Oh no, my rDrama screenshots and pictures of dogs are being scanned by an algorithm to make sure they don't have cp
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post dog pics
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Soren saves them and keeps them in a private groomercord and it weirds me tf out
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ye ok nvm bb one the tards here saved my cat n dog pics so i don't upload shit anymore
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tfw u miss pet pics and now they're locked away forever
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Based nutjob
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Post the hoard
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post hog pics
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You are so much more talented than you let on
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i can hear that soooey in my Soul 😱😱
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Yeah I think CP is the cover story.
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Apple is gonna dox you one day my fellow african american.
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Maybe have some empathy. A hypothetical apple user who hypothetically took pictures of all the human corpses for documentation sake would hypothetically be pretty worried about this. If I did that I'd definitely be very concerned. Good thing that's not something I would do.
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Better hope your phone didn't cache any anime photos from a weeb poster on a day the feds decide they don't like you
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Wasn't there a big spergout over this a year ago and apple claimed they were using it to flag cp?
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Ah cp one of the 4 horseman of the infoapocalypse
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Wow I'm sure fighting libertarianism hasn't been used to justify any other morally reprehensible acts
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There is only one way to fight libertarians...
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drug deals
(((terrorists)))
the children
the far right
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Lol. "Those darn... money launderers!!"
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I mean that is who you go after if you want to fight crime because everyone with illegal money has to wash it at some point.
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I launder money, AMA.
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Me when I forget the penny in my pocket
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Is your "money laundering" just leaving money in your pants that your mom washes for you?
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Newspapers are the biggest money launderers in existence.
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They were going to do what most cloud services do which is scan uploaded images and match hash values with that known CP images. Or so they claimed.
Apple already scans your photos in iPhotos so when you search 'cat' using spotlight cat photos you took will show up under photos. As far as I know that isn’t an opt in feature and was done without consent.
I do have little snitch and I’ll check to see if the media thing got tripped on my Mac cause I don’t remember and I am posting on an autism support site
edit: I do have 'mediaanalysisd'
it last connected 80 minutes ago 
from orange site
^ Basically what I assume is happening ^
edit2: oh no, it know's I'm talking about it
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They already do that, this particular spat was using AI to judge images and flag the sus ones
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I know. I just suspect the author of this piece is r-slurred and thinks Media Analysis Daemon is scanning for CP when it's just a machine learning update to identify cat photos better
His claim of not using the services isn't really good reasoning because my Mac has sent and received packets to 'weatherd' and 'newsd' today and I've used neither of those services today. It's just stuff a Mac will do in the background
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It explicitly is doing that though, with some r-slurred algorithm that will net a shitton of false positives
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No, I think the author thinks that's what it's doing but it's been doing this for ages (bad or good is your call) but this is not the CP scanning.
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I don't care
I'm going to spread misinformation on the internet
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CP = Cat Photos.
You’re all paranoid idiots.
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If it's a hash can't you defeat this by slightly changing a single pixel
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No, because they don't actually use a real hash anymore. They're an algorithm for similarity based on ML, they still have some weaknesses but they are pretty solid for recognition.
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Look up locality sensitive hashing and get your mind blown.
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I like "cat-like animal"
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Sure, and if it also happens to recognize facial signatures and firearms and narcotics or occasionally mistag your nudes and send them to Apple for review and data mining then that'll just be a coincidence. Save the kids everyone!
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Yes. Have fun with that.
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CP claims have been used by techs for decades and hoping most users like me don’t really give a shit that anything stored on a computer is being monitored by an AI.
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thinking google wasn't doing it from the beginnning
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They're doing it right now, in the same way that Apple does.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveillance-toddler-photo.html
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Ngmi
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Android is open source.
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yeah but not all the google bullshit that comes with your phone and is impossible to completely get rid of without root access
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AOSP is open source, there's not a single retail device that ships woth AOSP.
Trans lives matter
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still makes it more difficult to sneak shit like this in there
shut up nerd
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it literally doesn't though. There is no effective difference between a locked bootloader Android and iOS.
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Tbh I don't really care, I just want to rag on Applecels.
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If you’ve done nothing wrong, then you have nothing to fear. We should embrace our tech overlords.
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iToddlers btfo'd.
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sweetheart what this mean in r-slur terms pls?
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Apple last year said they'll be scanning pictures on your phone for child porn. This caused backlash so they quietly dropped it or at least that's what it seemed. They never actually said definitively they would not and this guy got notified by a program he has that his Mac was trying to send his pictures to a Media Analysis program.
What for, what exactly and how much is unknown but putting two and two together this guy is essentially announcing that Apple went through with the photo scanning despite privacy issues behind its user's backs. He noticed this on his Mac but there's no reason to assume his phone would be different.
Of course to play devil's advocate a question exists as to why he's the first person to ever notice and report this but I have to assume it was just bad (good?) luck imo. Also there's the question of whether the place it's being sent to actually is what he thinks it is but they're still yanking your pics for something without consent.
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tysm avalon bb 🫶🏾🫶🏾 ok i got nothing illegal on my phone but i got a bunch of 👀 pics so that means the glowie can see everthing to huh ☹️😓
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Maybe? Chances are they're not even sending the photos but a hash of them (which depending on how they do it could be easily dehashed tbf) or the like just to run against hashed photos of CP for a match. No one probably ever lays eyes on your photos.
Or at least that's what they say, and considering they went back user's backs to do do this there's already going to be issues of trust and stuff anyway. And you have slippery slope issues besides. Though honestly I'm not sure most will heavily care either.
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the only hash i kno is hash browns bb 🥲🥲 imma ask my man i usually hate bugging him to explain codecel shit but tf
tysm for trying bb 🤗🤗
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Hashing is like cyphers. Think turning your picture into numerical data and running a formula on that data to swap around characters. Makes it unreadable but as long as you have the same starting picture the final hash should be the same.
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I don't think they're using anything as primitive as hashing any more, with their neural cores and all that shit on modern CPUs/GPUs they're probably deploying an image categorization AI that will look at your pictures and spit out 'this is a picture of a cat' and 'this is a picture of a person and a cat' and 'this is a picture of a foid taking her pitbull's knot.'
They might call it a 'hashing algorithm' but it'll be so much more than that. Hashing images is so last century, it's so easily defeated.
Remember it's super important to use alt texts for online images.
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I doubt it. Modern hash functions are way too secure for it to be reversed unless the programmers made an obvious mistake.
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If one of your pics gets misclassified as a child, glowies will look at it.
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The person is likely wrong. This is most likely related to the AI feature that scans your photos (search "dog" in Photos and dog photos will come up).
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lol at all of the totally-not-libertarians handwringing over this. news flash: CP is not free speech, and it is not protected.
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How do you people still fall for this shit?
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"fall for"? This is a good thing.
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Sure it is, pal!
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it's
@HeyMoon half his posts are just him """pretending""" to be r-slurred lol
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Why is it r-slurred to be anti-libertarian?
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Please submit an image of your hard drive for inspection by the rDrama anti-libertarian department.
A timely response is encouraged.
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Piracy also isn't. Also, once we have this tech, Britain might politely request to also scan for images of pugs doing nazi salutes and other kind of hate speech. Germany will also appreciate you reporting images about holocoast denial or memes that are too offensive. Having 1/6 memes is undemocratic and will put you on a watch list.
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For poors
Don't care
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One would think the FBI is for the the tougher jobs that are too big in scope for other agencies, but all they do now(or ever?) is violate the rights of citizens by spying on as many as they possibly can using the flimsiest of pretense to do it.
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With the American retreat from the middle east and the war on terror there, it was to be expected that all the glowies and all the "anti-terrorism" specialists who previously monitored people over there, would be unleashed upon the general populace, given that no one wants to just give up their career. What else were they going to do? Learn to code?
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It's about fricking time. After 9-11 they put almost everyone on counter-terrorism so nobody was investigating the stuff the FBI should be, like organized and white collar crime.
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Nothx.
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what terminally online neighbors are really reading less than 200 wpm
It only took 2.5 minutes to read that, not scan it. He missed a comma near the end.
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readercels be seething over barely literate chads
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K
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"Sir, your going to have to see this"
"What's so important that this user was flagged out millions of automated ones?"
"The results are unusual- 6 standard deviations away from what the algorithm considers the median"
"What does the manual review show?"
"Just... Pictures of some bald character and a green frog. All are drawn in MS paint and theres near infinite variety. Sir- he has 1.9 million of these jpgs"
"We need alert Homeland Security. Do we have an ID?"
"No, just an email account tied to a burner phone"
"Job history? Drivers license? Social media?"
"None, I can't find any evidence this man exists, apart from his MacBook Pro purchased in 2014 by a 55 year old woman in Sandusky Ohio"
"My god this guy's a ghost"
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If you're not willing to be scanned at any time to prove you're not a child molester you're not moral enough to own and operate Apple hardware.
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they're coming for the pirates next
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I'm all for getting all the groomercord mods but you know this is all going to train some nefarious AI or something.
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Hope they enjoy the pictures of my peepee in the hidden folder
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https://old.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/10cv2hk/macos_scans_your_local_files_now/
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34392391 <- author responds a lot in this one
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Apple's proposed csam scanning system wouldn't necessitate any internet traffic. It was totally on device. However, it was only to be applied to media which was being uploaded to the cloud, something this fellow presumably has disabled. He never demontrates that the network request he saw has anything to do with csam scanning, but the most likely explanation is that its for some other purpose.
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How long until Microsoft starts doing this?
Current HP: 8/75
Current Mana: 130/250
Inventory:
* 50 Gald
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Android chads stay winning
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So what? Got anything to hide?
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Libertarians on suicide watch.
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Creepy
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Meh, I’ve always assumed that anything I do on my phone is being tracked/monitored/recorded
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It has been really hot around here so I've been wearing a small tank top dress around the house. Sometimes it rides up or a boob is close to popping out, but it is incredibly humid and we don't have AC, I'm just trying to stay cool. I get groped non-stop. I wouldn't mind him putting the moves on me if it was an appropriate time, but this is when I'm doing my makeup, cleaning up, or even doing work. And he turns into a 13 year old boy. He just shows me his boner without any attempt to 1) gauge if I'm in the mood, or 2) try to get me turned on. He just wiggles his boner around all proud of himself like he's the most seductive man in the world. It really just actually creeps me out. We've always been pretty sexually active, and probably are intimate about once every day or two. But this behaviour is such a turnoff I've been kind of grossed out lately and s*x has felt like a major chore. I have told him soooooooooooo many times that I don't appreciate that kind of thing, that it's immature, and also that I'm allowed to wear whatever I want in my home without being harassed. He does not get the memo. Yesterday, after he followed me into our very small hot bathroom and rubbbed is boner against my butt while I washed my face, I snapped at him. I said “please leave the bathroom, it's too bloody hot for this, you need to give me space!” He legit had a temper tantrum, stomping his feet and pounding his fists on surfaces! He said “you always reject my love” and I tried to explain that it's normal for me to have boundaries and it doesn't mean I'm rejecting anything. He didn't see it like that and stormed out of the house. Today it is even hotter but I'll be sure to cover myself so I don't have to deal with that.
Snapshots:
https://web.archive.org/https://sneak.berlin/20230115/macos-scans-your-local-files-now
ghostarchive.org
https://archive.ph/?url=https%3A//sneak.berlin/20230115/macos-scans-your-local-files-now&run=1 (click to archive)
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Absolutely no hover hands there. Truly an alpha male
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There is no mistaking the beta geek and monger phenotypes, that's a high-T monger who just happens to write code. He spends at least 2 weeks a year in SEA.
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