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ITT: Retards How the Supreme Court ruling on Section 230 could end Reddit as we know it : technology :marseybegging::marseyinshallah::marseybegging:

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How the Supreme Court ruling on Section 230 could end Reddit as we know it

As tech companies scramble in anticipation of a major ruling, some experts say community moderation online could be on the chopping block.

When the Supreme Court hears a landmark case on Section 230 later in February, all eyes will be on the biggest players in tech—Meta, Google, Twitter, YouTube.

A legal provision tucked into the Communications Decency Act, Section 230 has provided the foundation for Big Tech’s explosive growth, protecting social platforms from lawsuits over harmful user-generated content while giving them leeway to remove posts at their discretion (though they are still required to take down illegal content, such as child pornography, if they become aware of its existence). The case might have a range of outcomes; if Section 230 is repealed or reinterpreted, these companies may be forced to transform their approach to moderating content and to overhaul their platform architectures in the process.

But another big issue is at stake that has received much less attention: depending on the outcome of the case, individual users of sites may suddenly be liable for run-of-the-mill content moderation. Many sites rely on users for community moderation to edit, shape, remove, and promote other users’ content online—think Reddit’s upvote, or changes to a Wikipedia page. What might happen if those users were forced to take on legal risk every time they made a content decision?

In short, the court could change Section 230 in ways that won’t just impact big platforms; smaller sites like Reddit and Wikipedia that rely on community moderation will be hit too, warns Emma Llansó, director of the Center for Democracy and Technology’s Free Expression Project. “It would be an enormous loss to online speech communities if suddenly it got really risky for mods themselves to do their work,” she says.

In an amicus brief filed in January, lawyers for Reddit argued that its signature upvote/downvote feature is at risk in Gonzalez v. Google, the case that will reexamine the application of Section 230. Users “directly determine what content gets promoted or becomes less visible by using Reddit’s innovative ‘upvote’ and ‘downvote’ features,” the brief reads. “All of those activities are protected by Section 230, which Congress crafted to immunize Internet ‘users,’ not just platforms.”

At the heart of Gonzalez is the question of whether the “recommendation” of content is different from the display of content; this is widely understood to have broad implications for recommendation algorithms that power platforms like Facebook, YouTube, and TikTok. But it could also have an impact on users’ rights to like and promote content in forums where they act as community moderators and effectively boost some content over other content.

Reddit is questioning where user preferences fit, either directly or indirectly, into the interpretation of “recommendation.” “The danger is that you and I, when we use the internet, we do a lot of things that are short of actually creating the content,” says Ben Lee, Reddit’s general counsel. “We’re seeing other people’s content, and then we’re interacting with it. At what point are we ourselves, because of what we did, recommending that content?”

Reddit currently has 50 million active daily users, according to its amicus brief, and the site sorts its content according to whether users upvote or downvote posts and comments in a discussion thread. Though it does employ recommendation algorithms to help new users find discussions they might be interested in, much of its content recommendation system relies on these community-powered votes. As a result, a change to community moderation would likely drastically change how the site works.

“Can we [users] be dragged into a lawsuit, even a well-meaning lawsuit, just because we put a two-star review for a restaurant, just because like we clicked downvote or upvote on that one post, just because we decided to help volunteer for our community and start taking out posts or adding in posts?” Lee asks. “Are [these actions] enough for us to suddenly become liable for something?”

An “existential threat” to smaller platforms

Lee points to a case in Reddit’s recent history. In 2019, in the subreddit /r/Screenwriting, users started discussing screenwriting competitions they thought might be scams. The operator of those alleged scams went on to sue the moderator of /r/Screenwriting for pinning and commenting on the posts, thus prioritizing that content. The Superior Court of California in LA County excused the moderator from the lawsuit, which Reddit says was due to Section 230 protection. Lee is concerned that a different interpretation of Section 230 could leave moderators, like the one in /r/Screenwriting, significantly more vulnerable to similar lawsuits in the future.

“The reality is every Reddit user plays a role in deciding what content appears on the platform,” says Lee. “In that sense, weakening 230 can unintentionally increase liability for everyday people.”

Llansó agrees that Section 230 explicitly protects the users of platforms, as well as the companies that host them.

“Community moderation is often some of the most effective [online moderation] because it has people who are invested,” she says. “It’s often … people who have context and understand what people in their community do and don’t want to see.”

Wikimedia, the foundation that created Wikipedia, is also worried that a new interpretation of Section 230 might usher in a future in which volunteer editors can be taken to court for how they deal with user-generated content. All the information on Wikipedia is generated, fact-checked, edited, and organized by volunteers, making the site particularly vulnerable to changes in liability afforded by Section 230.

“Without Section 230, Wikipedia could not exist,” says Jacob Rogers, associate general counsel at the Wikimedia Foundation. He says the community of volunteers that manages content on Wikipedia “designs content moderation policies and processes that reflect the nuances of sharing free knowledge with the world. Alterations to Section 230 would jeopardize this process by centralizing content moderation further, eliminating communal voices, and reducing freedom of speech.”

In its own brief to the Supreme Court, Wikimedia warned that changes to liability will leave smaller technology companies unable to compete with the bigger companies that can afford to fight a host of lawsuits. “The costs of defending suits challenging the content hosted on Wikimedia Foundation’s sites would pose existential threats to the organization,” lawyers for the foundation wrote.

Lee echoes this point, noting that Reddit is “committed to maintaining the integrity of our platform regardless of the legal landscape,” but that Section 230 protects smaller internet companies that don’t have large litigation budgets, and any changes to the law would “make it harder for platforms and users to moderate in good faith.”

To be sure, not all experts think the scenarios laid out by Reddit and Wikimedia are the most likely. “This could be a bit of a mess, but [tech companies] almost always say that this is going to destroy the internet,” says Hany Farid, professor of engineering and information at the University of California, Berkeley.

Farid supports increasing liability related to content moderation and argues that the harms of targeted, data-driven recommendations online justify some of the risks that come with a ruling against Google in the Gonzalez case. “It is true that Reddit has a different model for content moderation, but what they aren’t telling you is that some communities are moderated by and populated by incels, white supremacists, racists, election deniers, covid deniers, etc.,” he says.

Brandie Nonnecke, founding director at the CITRIS Policy Lab, a social media and democracy research organization at the University of California, Berkeley, emphasizes a common viewpoint among experts: that regulation to curb the harms of online content is needed but should be established legislatively, rather than through a Supreme Court decision that could result in broad unintended consequences, such as those outlined by Reddit and Wikimedia.

“We all agree that we don’t want recommender systems to be spreading harmful content,” Nonnecke says, “but trying to address it by changing Section 230 in this very fundamental way is like a surgeon using a chain saw instead of a scalpel.”

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Has it occurred to anyone that it is totally fricking insane for the Supreme Court to be legislating about how the internet should work? It's a panel of 9 lawyers whose only qualification is that they're Catholic, Jewish, or black. When did we give them the power to decide what kind of society we're going to live in? People whine about the "establishment" or the "deep state" but Jesus Fricking Christ, why do we let the Bar Association just openly dictate every aspect of our lives?

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Word. I hate Reddit and want to watch it burn but this is a can of worms that should be left alone.


Krayon sexually assaulted his sister. https://i.rdrama.net/images/17118241526738973.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17118241426254768.webp

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Dramaphobic

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@bbbb is so glad you feel that way! Reddit is a terrible, toxic website and it's only a matter of time before it collapses. Good riddance!

TRANS LIVES MATTER

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Most of us just got used to internet being an Wild West mostly outside of government care for the first few decades since it’s inception.

Nowadays, pretty much everyone who got on to internet post iPhone 4 are treating it as an extension of the real world.

Obviously, the fed will start expecting more control over it just like they have on the real world

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Yeah we have expectations of how the internet should work but it's mostly just based on attitudes people had in the 1990s. The country has changed so much since then, especially the left flipping from defending free speech at all costs to calling free speech an "alt-right dogwhistle". Most of this stuff wasn't actually laid down in law so it can be changed on a whim by the FCC or the courts.

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they're finding a provision of a law unconstitutional not legislating lol

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That's what they said about Roe v. Wade, banning the death penalty, banning serious punishments for male feminists and child molesters, banning campaign finance laws...

How many fricking times where the courts impose something on the country that's explicitly against the will of voters does it take before you peepeesuckers realize that maybe you shouldn't trust lawyers?

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>don't trust lawyers they'll frick everything up

>99.99% of congress is lawyers

r-slur confirmed. also roe v wade was r-slurred because it invented a new right that wasn't there. i'm not in favor of these things but a court saying "no no this law went too far" is a huge difference from "this law is illegal because it infringes on a right we just made up right here". the court is course correcting nicely

also

>banning the death penalty

nooooooooo what a loss, the justice system never makes mistakes we should kill anyone convicted of bad crimes thereby destroying any chance to compensate people falsely convicted

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Noooooooooooooo we can't have the death penalty for guys who stalk women jogging in the park and r*pe and murder them! :soycry:

I wonder why you chose this as the hill you want to die on. :marseyhmm: Do you have some personal experience you'd like to share with us?

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lmao im not playing the misquoting game r-slur, choose to ignore the false convictions argument if you want

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im not playing the misquoting game because I'm a massive cute twink

That's not very dramatic of you. :marseyunamused:

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it’s more dramatic to watch you seethe and then continue to watch you cope and dilate when called out on your r-slurred seething. low effort high roi

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Because voters and lawmakers are too r-slurred to understand the laws they create actually works? :marseyconfused:

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Because even with those limited qualifications they are still more competent than 99% of people out there?

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:#marseywave2:

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theyve already decided these platforms should get all the power and none of the responsibility, now they might decide the opposite. either way itll suck and either way i dont really care because itll suck. maybe having it so you cant just edit shit willy nilly will lead to a chudpocalypse, more pc shit or somewhere in the middle. maybe itll make people smarter. idk but it's drama either way

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I support it because it disenfranchises jannies on a fundamental level. Or at least, the most annoying aspects of janniehood.

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Because in the absence of true worship or culture Americans decided that they'd worship the founding fathers.

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This actually sounds worse for us. All this would do to reddit is give them an excuse for more censorship. But it would make sites like rdrama and saidit illegal.

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Sounds like it might add some spice to posting here!

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mfw I glowpost from outside the US and make the jannies commit a federal crime :#troll:

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Oh no.

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In cases like this I wonder why organisations don't just go 'ok' and move their servers to a country with saner laws.

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Going by Jersh (:marseynull: ), who has almost probably considered every option in light of running the most infamous :marseykiwi: on the internet, in spite of it's issues the USA is by far the best country for :marseyfreezepeach: in light of it not nuking your website for images like "Ho Ho Holocaust"

I want to see reddit burn, but nuking 230 would just frick over the few fun places left on the web while big sites like facebook/twitter/etc (and probably reddit as well) could deal with the mountain of legal bullshit created by it's death.

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If 230 is repealed you can't even let a guy like Alex Jones on your platform on principle, because he would now be a legal liability.

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Only if you tried to moderate . If you let it go without any moderation it would be fine actually

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No because without section 230 you are now legally liable for the content of your site, including content posted by other users.

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:#marseysal:

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can't wait too sue rdrama for forcing @coned too say trans lives matter!

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say it again coned, but slower

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you trans lives matter saying SON OF A B-WORD :badass:

:#reposthorse:

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:marseyagree:

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Sorry, I couldn't hear you. Could you say it again?

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Lawsuit you say... :marseymerchant:

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Nobody forced you tho.

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you don't know how this site or trans lives matter work huh :patting:

:#reposthorse:

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You could just not post lmao

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@coned is not quite sure what :quote: not post :quote: means :hmm:

@coned wonder if it's like trans lives matter? yanno as in not a thing!

:#trumpjaktalking:

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Company voluntarily censors me for Wrongthink, with absolutely no government agency forcing them to do so:

"This is to protect people from dangerous hate speech!"

:#soyjakanimeglasses::#marseycensored:

Company in danger of losing Section 230 Protections appeals to me for support:

"Help us, please! If the government takes away our protections they may force us to censor you for Wrongthink!"

:#soycry::!#marseythinkorino:

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I want 230 gone lol. When 230 is gone rightoids will be banned on sight for basically anything.

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Then the Silicon Valley execs will be legislated out of existence, assuming we don't literally kill them first. Imagine thinking that you can censor half the country and there won't be blowback.

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No they won't lol. Rightoids cant even win elections during a recession with rigged maps.

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dude you think every election they win is illegitimate. what, you dont think they couldnt cheat out a win and then turn it on you? are you r-slurred? youd be gone too for all your kylie rittenhouse clit-sucking

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The maps are objectively rigged.

Basic math proved this.

This is not a conspiracy, it is hard, objective fact repeatedly proven in court.

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The maps are objectively rigged.

yea new york's were and they got struck down lmao

This is not a conspiracy, it is hard, objective fact repeatedly proven in court.

"my enemy is both incredibly incompetent enough to cheat every system and make every election legitimate- but but theyre really incompetent! theyll never win! so i can suggest stupid legislation i would hate because itll never happen!"

like even in my question i ask you i am going off the assumption that i agree with what you are saying, im not gonna bother looking into it and im just gonna assume youre right. and working off the assumption that youre right i think youre being an idiot!

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:marseytroublemaker:

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:marseysal:

I thought you were law abiding.

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I am, but I don't exactly expect others to be. Not every conservative is as lovable and sweet-tempered as I am.

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Then surely you'd put down your law breaking conservative brothers and sisters like you would any other lawbreaker, right?

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:#marseymagarentfree:

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Farid supports increasing liability related to content moderation and argues that the harms of targeted, data-driven recommendations online justify some of the risks that come with a ruling against Google in the Gonzalez case. “It is true that Reddit has a different model for content moderation, but what they aren’t telling you is that some communities are moderated by and populated by incels, white supremacists, racists, election deniers, covid deniers, etc.,” he says.

Oh golly. :marseypearlclutch: Absolutely horrifying to think that there might be at least a couple of subreddits that are moderated by Wrong-Thinkers even if the vast majority are moderated by heckin' wholesome communist child molesting :marseytrain2:s.

I wish they'd repeal 230, every social media site would shut down, and force these fricking losers to go touch some grass.

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Some communities are moderated by and populated by incels, white supremacists, racists, election deniers, covid deniers, etc.,”

List 5 of them that haven't been purged with fire into non-existence

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election deniers

>r/notmypresident

Despicable

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Love how they put not getting a vaccine in the same list as the neo Nazis. Shows how unhinged these people are.

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Only one step below rDrama degenerates.

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Brandie Nonnecke, founding director at the CITRIS Policy Lab, a social media and democracy research organization at the University of California, Berkeley, emphasizes a common viewpoint among experts: that regulation to curb the harms of online content is needed but should be established legislatively, rather than through a Supreme Court decision that could result in broad unintended consequences, such as those outlined by Reddit and Wikimedia.

They went down that route further down in the article as well. Basically ‘we think we should be able to legislate chud and wrongthink speech, but going after me is an attack on democracy’.

I unironically think the removal of Section 230 is a can of worms that should remain unopened but at the same time I want these people to eat shit so bad lol.

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I can't wait for every powerjanny to get sued lol

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We need to introduce Clarence Thomas to some actual Jannies so he rules that human rights dont apply to internet forum moderators

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Im gunning for Merari's funkopop collection when I win. Gonna light em on fire on video.

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If users were allowed to choose how the posts they see are curated, that would be a death blow to powerjanny egos.

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Can't sites just change their legal position to avoid U.S. juridistiction?

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yes

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Maybe, but you'd also probably want to block all US users to avoid some district's overarching theories of jurisdiction :marseyjudge:. Or just go to a based country without judicial reciprocity.

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Even better

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I figure a bunch of other countries would suddenly decide to follow suit.

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I don't care if this destroys the internet, it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make, like a brave soldier surrounded by an enemy horde calling in artillery on his position. I'll go out in a blaze of glory with one final "FRICK JANNIES THEY DO IT FOR FREE" before Reddit is wiped from existence and I go touch grass forever

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and I go touch grass forever

spoke like a cow

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Honestly seems like a no-brainer that platforms engaging in content-based jannying should be treated as if they’re the speaker of the content. People are dumb and/or lying if they think it’s not easy enough to carve out fairly bright-line exceptions for basic jannying functions like removing illegal content, spam, and pornography.

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basic jannying functions like removing illegal content, spam, and pornography.

why even care enough janny that also. headache of law enforcement agencies

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Lmao get fricked Reddit (I hope)

>”We all agree that we don’t want recommender systems to be spreading harmful content,”

I never agreed to this

>like a surgeon using a chain saw instead of a scalpel.”

Good image but I think a chainsaw is needed more, don’t be so modest :#chainsaw:There are too many issues of hate speech and cyber violence to ignore, silence is violence Reddit’s on the wrong side of history


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>like a surgeon using a chain saw instead of a scalpel.”

maybe we never wanted a scalpel in the first place

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Well well well if it isn't the consequences of my own actions


https://i.rdrama.net/images/17121718107069042.webp

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so what would this mean then, would jannying become illegal?

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:marseyxi: would win the internet

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In an amicus brief filed in January, lawyers for Reddit argued that its signature upvote/downvote feature is at risk in Gonzalez v. Google, the case that will reexamine the application of Section 230. Users “directly determine what content gets promoted or becomes less visible by using Reddit’s innovative ‘upvote’ and ‘downvote’ features,” the brief reads. “All of those activities are protected by Section 230, which Congress crafted to immunize Internet ‘users,’ not just platforms.”

How is this any different than any other social media? :marseythinkorino: seems to me that as always these judges don't understand shit

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@Aevann is rdrama indexed by the clearnet?

is using this website browsing darknet?

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@Aevann is rdrama indexed by the clearnet?

yeah lol

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neighbor how hard is it to type rdrama into google?

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Dramatards lawsuitmaxing when

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After reddit came for /r/drama because train fee fee's we're hurt, I was like enough.

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Let nasim have her wish :#marseydepressed:

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There is no such thing as successful anti-internet censorship law. Every single internet-related legislation is another advancement of the concept that "the internet = real life", no matter how much it is designed to appeal to rightoids or coomers. Still, I would like to see the result for the sake of drama, especially the reactions from algorithm makers, metaverse shills, and last but not least unpaid jannies.

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Nice post, bro! I posted it to twitter.

How the Supreme Court ruling on Section 230 could end Reddit as we know it : technology https://rdrama.net/h/slackernews/post/143993/how-the-supreme-court-ruling-on #twitter #r-slurred #ones

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