An actual decent reddit post in /r/toopoortobuyaniphone for once, and a good Saturday morning thread to drink a cup of Joe with.
Many of us have witnessed the breathtaking moon photos taken with the latest zoom lenses, starting with the S20 Ultra. Nevertheless, I've always had doubts about their authenticity, as they appear almost too perfect. While these images are not necessarily outright fabrications, neither are they entirely genuine. Let me explain.There have been many threads on this, and many people believe that the moon photos are real (inputmag) - even MKBHD has claimed in this popular youtube short that the moon is not an overlay, like Huawei has been accused of in the past. But he's not correct. So, while many have tried to prove that Samsung fakes the moon shots, I think nobody succeeded - until now.
WHAT I DID
I downloaded this high-res image of the moon from the internet - https://i.imgur.com/PIAjVKp
I downsized it to 170x170 pixels and applied a gaussian blur, so that all the detail is GONE. This means it's not recoverable, the information is just not there, it's digitally blurred: https://i.imgur.com/xEyLajW
And a 4x upscaled version so that you can better appreciate the blur: https://i.imgur.com/3STX9mZ
I full-screened the image on my monitor (showing it at 170x170 pixels, blurred), moved to the other end of the room, and turned off all the lights. Zoomed into the monitor and voila - https://i.imgur.com/ifIHr3S
This is the image I got - https://i.imgur.com/bXJOZgI
INTERPRETATION
To put it into perspective, here is a side by side: https://i.imgur.com/ULVX933
In the side-by-side above, I hope you can appreciate that Samsung is leveraging an AI model to put craters and other details on places which were just a blurry mess. And I have to stress this: there's a difference between additional processing a la super-resolution, when multiple frames are combined to recover detail which would otherwise be lost, and this, where you have a specific AI model trained on a set of moon images, in order to recognize the moon and slap on the moon texture on it (when there is no detail to recover in the first place, as in this experiment). This is not the same kind of processing that is done when you're zooming into something else, when those multiple exposures and different data from each frame account to something. This is specific to the moon.
CONCLUSION
The moon pictures from Samsung are fake. Samsung's marketing is deceptive. It is adding detail where there is none (in this experiment, it was intentionally removed). In this article, they mention multi-frames, multi-exposures, but the reality is, it's AI doing most of the work, not the optics, the optics aren't capable of resolving the detail that you see. Since the moon is tidally locked to the Earth, it's very easy to train your model on other moon images and just slap that texture when a moon-like thing is detected.
Now, Samsung does say "No image overlaying or texture effects are applied when taking a photo, because that would cause similar objects to share the same texture patterns if an object detection were to be confused by the Scene Optimizer.", which might be technically true - you're not applying any texture if you have an AI model that applies the texture as a part of the process, but in reality and without all the tech jargon, that's that's happening. It's a texture of the moon.
If you turn off "scene optimizer", you get the actual picture of the moon, which is a blurry mess (as it should be, given the optics and sensor that are used).
To further drive home my point, I blurred the moon even further and clipped the highlights, which means the area which is above 216 in brightness gets clipped to pure white - there's no detail there, just a white blob - https://i.imgur.com/9XMgt06
I zoomed in on the monitor showing that image and, guess what, again you see slapped on detail, even in the parts I explicitly clipped (made completely 100% white): https://i.imgur.com/9kichAp
TL:DR Samsung is using AI/ML to slap on a texture of the moon on your moon pictures, and while some think that's your camera's capability, it's actually not. And it's not sharpening, it's not adding detail from multiple frames because in this experiment, all the frames contain the same amount of detail. None of the frames have the craters etc. because they're intentionally blurred, yet the camera somehow miraculously knows that they are there. And don't even get me started on the motion interpolation on their "super slow-mo", maybe that's another post in the future..
The input article in particular OP links to is egresses
Is the Galaxy S21 Ultra using AI to fake detailed Moon photos?
The gist of the article is 3 sources say it's abilities are real, 3 say they're fake, so input does their own test pitting a S21 Ultra vs Sony A7R III w/ 600mm telephoto lens. It's really funny and I suggest you read it as I can't do it justice.
But if you're lazy and don't want to read it here's the ending of the article.
3,500-something words into this investigation and I feel confident between my own comparison, the lack of Moon overlay photos or maps within the camera’s software, and Samsung’s own detailed explanations that there is no faking going on with 100x Moon photos. The S21 Ultra's doing a ton of correction on a 100x photo of the Moon and I have no reason to believe any addition of third-party imagery is happening. The S21 Ultra’s 100x zoom (with intelligent software tuning) is really that impressive and gives it a considerable edge over other phones.But I also want to include one caveat: the S21 Ultra’s Scene Optimizer will not suddenly make all 100x zoom photos look as crispy as the Moon. Samsung flat-out says the Scene Optimizer can recognize “more than 30 scenes.” That includes the following according to a spokesperson:
Food, Portraits, Flowers, Indoor scenes, Animals, Landscapes, Greenery, Trees, Sky, Mountains, Beaches, Sunrises and sunsets, Watersides, Street scenes, Night scenes, Waterfalls, Snow, Birds, Backlit, Text, Clothing, Vehicle, Shoe, Dog, Face, Drink, Stage, Baby, People, Cat, Moon.
Scenes and objects that aren’t recognized by the Scene Optimizer will likely look like grainy mush at 100x zoom. So take that into consideration when using the S21 Ultra’s max zoom.
Honestly, I can’t believe I spent this many words debunking such a silly conspiracy theory. But consider the case closed (for now). Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to return to my regular scheduled programming that consists of dunking on flat earthers and people who believe in UFOs.
Key take away/s: AI technology has easily been able to fool some tech journ*list and pop-tech YouTubes reviewers who don't have an understand of either technology or physics.
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iPhone is superior to android in literally every single way:
First class developer support so the best apps are for iPhone
Seamless integration between all your devices
Camera
Faster processor
Easier to use
No garbage spam ware in App Store
If you own an android congrats you are seen as inferior. Good luck in the dating scene. The second a girl sees that green text bubble she is running to the chad with the iPhone (me)
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LLM
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Apps are overrated and unecessary. You need an app to tell you the weather? Just look outside dummy.
Integration with all my devices? I don't need a phone to connect to a potty to take a shit. I can do that in my neighbor's lawn without even needing a connection.
Camera? For what, peepee pics? If your peepee was that worth taking pictures of, you'd already have a photo of it framed to show everyone who wants to see.
Faster processor? Anything good in life is worth waiting for.
Easier to use? That only matters if you're over 60 and have a sub 140 IQ.
No app store garbage? I can sideload anything I need without taking a trip to the store.
In conclusion your comment is complete and utter nonsense and android is vastly superior.
Sent from my iPhone.
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ThiS
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Not reading all that. TLDR?
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I suck Google's peepee.
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Imagine buying a Mac
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Far superior computing machine for just about everything minus gaming
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Lol
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Even gaming is something Mac is catching up on. Soon Mac just will be the most superior and it won’t even be close.
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iPhones were at one point the best phones ever not now anymore. They were like pioneers but than Syrian man died
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Can't even run tf2, the best game ever made.
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at least the M1/M2 etc chips are super interesting.
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And give me a lot of headaches when compiling C code that was not done for it.
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Wrong
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Are you trying to outpizza pizza because that's not happening ever![:marseyl: :marseyl:](/e/marseyl.webp)
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No phone is better than any other phone. I always buy a cheap phone; samsung, OnePlus, pixel 4, iPhone 5s it's always the low end devices... because I know I'm going to throw it away after 4 years and I'm not spending more than $300 on a device I use only for calling, texting, looking up unknown words and browsing rdrama.
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Same, but I always get a 1500 dollar phone because I'm going to have it for four years
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In four years I buy a $1500 phone for $200 and then use it for four years![:marseysmug5: :marseysmug5:](/e/marseysmug5.webp)
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I just buy a flagship from last year for $350
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Fisher Price toy I don't understand how to use cause I'm not r-slurred
No web apps
Frick Apple
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Nooo not muh web apps!!!
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I instinctively want to kill any straight scrote who uses Apple. Cute twink behaviour.
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You are on slacker sub neighbor, you can do a lot more interesting stuff with Android, you can literally use it as PC by plugging a usb c adapter that ads thunderbolt, hdmi and usbs and it has a windows like mode. This shit is very handy for students. You also don’t need to pay for any apps and etc. like I have iPhone 14 pro max 512gb but I can admit android having huge advantage and they will continue to have one because apple will add a shitty usb c that won’t recognize non apple certified shit
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Zoomer detected. Rope now.
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But millennials are better with tech, are u sure u ain’t zoomer ?
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Is there something like Tasker for iphone?
I have a spare Android connected to an Arduino, connected to a spare keyfob. Send the phone a text, it tells the Arduino to press the Start button on the keyfob
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Mb but you need probably a dedicated iPhone certificates cables. I tried to use a adapter usb-c to lighting on my adapter that has rj45, hdmi, thunderbolt and 2 USB and no single port worked and thing is even when apple ads usb-c they will make sure only their certificated products will work.
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I used an android for a couple of years because I was boycotting chinese manufacturers, and Samsung made their phones in Vietnam at the time. I've now switched back to iPhone, and god darn is the quality difference significant. There's just no competition anymore, except on the spec sheets. The actual user experience is vastly better with Apple, to the point where they're not even comparable.
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But boycotting is very Reddit thing to do.
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it's girlcotting
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More like girlclotting (their periods)
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Well yeah, it definitely can be. IMO a lot of redditards do it for some stupid-butt reason like whatever entertainment company didn't put out the latest
franchise in exactly the way they wanted it, or it wasn't """rEaLiStIC""" enough. I've met plenty of them in person, and I'll admit they make me a little sick. Not only because they smell terrible, but they live and die by the most lukewarm, most completely inconsequential ideas humanly possible. Imagine your biggest struggle in life being whether there are vegan alternatives to milk in your favorite campus coffee shop. I used to watch the skin of children's heads being eaten by some kind of horrific fungus, hear people's kids die of entirely preventable diseases, and then I came back to the first world and these fricking manchildren are screaming about censoring the word 'men' in women? I can't bear to look them in the eye. It's not like I'm gonna get into some kind of argument with them because that just makes me an unlikeable cute twink, but I hate them.
So yeah, I boycott the Chinese. I don't talk about it much, to anyone I know IRL because who gives a frick. I did it because Chinese corporations are state owned (or at least most of them are), and I refuse to support their government or any way, shape, or form. I'm well aware it was pretty much standing on a hill and screaming into the wind, with literally zero impact on anything, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it after seeing that drone footage of the Xinjiang camps, and footage of the Hong Kong protests. I saw a short clip of a middle aged woman being thrown out of a fourth floor window, screaming all the way down. That stuck in my mind for years.
But that went down to the component level, as far as I could. No lithium batteries, no random plastic pieces of shit, clothes, shoes, anything. Especially nothing that supported a fledgling major industry, like computer hardware or drones. I did it for roughly four years and then I bought an iPhone, which pretty much ended that. I figured chinese trade sanctions are Congress' favourite pastime nowadays, and they're doing a lot more damage than I ever could hope to.
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Your pulitzer's in the mail
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The only thing Apple has over Android for me is their sound engineering. I really don't understand the wanking ok the user experience, there's not even much TO experience
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I can run Firefox with uBlock Origin on my Android.
Too late. Already married.
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No Mister Apple please don’t cut support for my accessories and hardware NOOO![:marseysoycry: :marseysoycry:](/e/marseysoycry.webp)
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Europoor detected
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android phones repel gold diggers and status whores better than holy water repels vampires.
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I'm gwoing two get a used iphwonye just fwor the blue text bubble
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Just get an iPad if you want to keep having an android smartphone lmao
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II like my iPhone as much as anyone else but the app store is beyond cancer
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LLM the king of seethe once again![:marseyrentfree: :marseyrentfree:](/e/marseyrentfree.webp)
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That's actually infuriatingly true![:marseyfoidretard: :marseyfoidretard:](/e/marseyfoidretard.webp)
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Her poorcel radar starts going off. That’s why
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itoddler spotted
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I just got the 14 pro i think its called and i swear the photos look worse than they did on my s9+, i know the camera is better but they just dont seem to come out as good
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Went from Pixel 2 XL to Pixel 6 and idk wtf they did with the camera but there's weird ghosting at the edges.
Irritating when I'm taking pictures of prints
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How in the frick can you post this, but also come to the conclusion that the zoom is real? It's practically screaming at you "yeah we trained our software on these common objects so it can make up details".
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to be fair, your brain literally does the exact same thing lol
filling in details where there are none
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In that case why not just use your eyes instead of an overpriced phone?
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i can't put an SD card in my optic nerve![:marseycry: :marseycry:](/e/marseycry.webp)
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Yet.
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This is what's meant by post-truth. There is no Truth, just positions with associated identities. Conspiracy theorists are the Other, so if you can frame AI photo editing as a conspiracy, anyone on the Right Side Of History must deboonk it.
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Tell this guy that earth is the only place in the universe with life and watch him cope about how that’s mathematically impossible or some shit. “Earth is the only planet with life” sub might be good to ensnare redditors who’ve been told by the science that it’s mathematically guaranteed to be life somewhere else, will sneed like crazy when you tell them there is zero evidence of that being the case. It’s better than flat earth because the science™ side is the one without the evidence
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I came out to my friends as flat-earth curious and they were really accepting![:marseywholesome: :marseywholesome:](/e/marseywholesome.webp)
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The "tech" journo literally thinks an AI would keep training data inside of the phone
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Having any clue about what you’re writing about is fascism.
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Look man, Samsung said they don’t do it so they don’t do it.
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Yeah this is a cool feature, its what this sort of upscaling AI was meant for
They are giving a preset list of stuff lol
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I know this is a little out there and not a huge concern, just navel-gazing here, but it's a little creepy the phone can recognize and "clean up" text given the obsession with sanitizing the world of anything offensive. How long til your phone recognizes and "cleans up" photos by changing them rather than optimizing them?
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Yesterday, dipshit
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All these doomers who don't know tech is already there for their 1984 orwelliak nightmare. Literally tomorrow could be 1984 if the government bombed the USA and subjugated the survivors
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Yup. I always knew one day some r-slur would replace the zoom function with AI, I jsut prayed I'd not live to see it
Whatever imma stick with my s5 for the next few years anyway
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Stop being so AIphobic
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Still a better photo than iphone
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Neighbor u blind?
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I thought everyone knew this. They specifically advertise taking clearer photos of the moon, and it doesn't work for anything else.
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It's been a bit since I bought mine but I'm pretty sure the promo material explicitly said it was making shit up
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Samsung needs to find a new gimmick. They've been pushing this "We have a new r-slurred camera gimmick every gen!" for years now and I still could not care less
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iCels and poors are just coping that the camera is so good on Samsung flagships that it can see detail on the moon even if it's an image of the moon and blurred.
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I like the way the cute twink journo drafted a mantra specifically for Samsung phone cameras
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Do normal middle class people in Korea really use phones like this?
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I'm pretty sure SK is just another department of Samsung
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I hope you’ve got that as a vinyl wrap for the spare tire carrier on the back of your conversion van.
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When I had a jeep it was my spare tire cover.
I will own a mid 90's conversion van at some point, inshallah.
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go cyclones![:marseytroublemaker: :marseytroublemaker:](/e/marseytroublemaker.webp)
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The nips were right.
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How long until ALL photographic evidence is void in a courtroom?
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20 years later than it should have happened.
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Imagine still believing in the moon
Smh
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This is why she left you you fricking cuck
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MKBHD has claimed in this popular youtube short that the moon is not an overlay:
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Space is fake and was made up to get anti war hippies to contribute to missile development
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The Earth is flat.
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Based chinks, cheating us visually now too!
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Thanks for this neat stuff.![:marseyhomofascist: :marseyhomofascist:](/e/marseyhomofascist.webp)
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this is peak friendless behavior![:smh: :smh:](/e/smh.webp)
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