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HashiCorp adopts Business Source License; Seethe abounds (for good reason)
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Wtf is going on. I've never heard of any of these random names or Hashicorp. I must dismiss this as webshittery. sry not sry
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Basically the guys at hashicorp made a super special binary that turns YAML into shell commands, and everyone wrote plugins for it because its open source.
Problem is, literally everything youd use it to do requires a plugin and you have to read the docs to figure out how the plugin interacts with whatever.
So it's barely better than just using the cowtools supplied by your cloud provider, like aws cloudformation etc
I think its one advantage is that it was early on the scene. If it stops being free it vecomes a complete joke
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Its a lot better because you can use one program/platform for multiple clouds and aren't locked into one provider except for terraform. There are other clouds/services that don't offer their own deployment method so a community/official plugin makes support possible. It's similar to ansible galaxy. Cloudformation is also a mess to use in comparison.
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It's just ok. There are zero people who need to deploy to five clouds and have only one day to write the deploy script
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But the people interviewing me ask about multicloud and hate "scripts'
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I'm confused by you guys against IaC?
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Btw a shell script you run with a github action counts as IaC
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It's good but not worth paying for
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There has been a movement the past several-ish years to use X-aaS products instead of hiring competent engineers. Its created a situation where incompetent people who have no experience with deployment, CICD, Linux, and other concepts study an O'Reilly book about a commercial offering to pass the interview. You end up with teams of guys who only know expensive commercial "solutions" and are just YAML monkeys making $150k/yr. They gatekeep hard and are unable to spot competent engineers because the new way is just to pay thousands per month on a "solution" that does all the work.
Even one competent engineer can save the company a lot of money keeping it simple but we are entering a competency crisis with layers of software on top of one another to mask the complications.
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That's the impression I get from all this stuff, it's bullshit buzzword bingo all the way down. Can't stand it.
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You have to know the different systems if they ask during an interview. Some don't like the idea that you can learn them easily.
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What do you have against IaC?
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I'm talking about people who only know something like ArgoCD and don't actually know how any of the pipelines actually work.
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Nah, it's mostly infrastructure as Code.
I believe Spacelift and Pulumi are both Terraform forks and Crossplane is a Terraform-style tool for AWS.
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Red site (50-some comments, high): https://lobste.rs/s/l2l1v8/hashicorp_adopts_business_source
Orange site (600-some, decent): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37081306
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They're going to go the typical monetization route that open source has been doing where the devs make useful software, keep the in-demand commercial features "TODO", have r-slurs do the coding for free one it gets momentum, offer hosting as an initial revenue source, and then place said commercial features behind a paid API and implement said API into the open source project.
Rocket chat does this and so do others. The product was made to be commercialized from the start with a legal entity and funding but outwardly marketed as an open source project with no commercial interest.
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Feels like they should've just gone AGPL, this not-FOSS not-proprietary half-butt licensing BS is little-peepeeed.
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Oh no, now I have to figure out how to use ansible, or vagrant, or, god forbid, the command line
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What's a command line?
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SOON
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I think it's basically just a middle finger to IBM. It just says you can't take their open source IP and build a competing product with it.
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Yeah just make it AGPL then.
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agpl isn't bulletproof, see amazon and mongo db
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I mean yeah, free software will produce something like that.
Amazon is going leech
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A lot of companies have a big hate boner for any license that has the letters GPL in it. I'm kind of surprised anyone other than IBM, Pulumi, and Spacewalk even care. It pretty much just affects them.
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Because some of us still foolishly believe in principles when it comes to software licensing.
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it's not foolish, unfortunately
it would be easier if software licensing were just some technical detail of no consequence that people are getting riled up for out of only a dogmatic dispute
radicals like RMS have this unfortunate capacity to be correct. any compromise with the corporation is the death of the technical power of the platform
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Wtf does hashicorp even do
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Their biggest tool/product is Terraform which lets you describe your entire stack in code.
It's a key part of "Infrastructure as Code", especially cloud-heavy environments where it abstracts away all the providers APIs.
Their second most popular tool was/is probably Vagrant which I believe was a reproducible VM system.
They also develop cowtools like Vault and Consol but they're more popular with bigger orgs, Terraform has a much bigger reach and is def their killer app IMO.
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Terraform among others
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