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Frick gnome

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swaychads stay winning.


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Well of fricking course people will move away from x11, it's a zombie protocol with every major thing nessecary for modern environments having been hacked in after the fact. Like it's base functionality goes "you can draw a jagged triangle! And here is a jagged square! And over here is a demented evil code block that somehow let's you play games. Don't question or touch it."

>The old display server was a nightmare for modern use so we made this. It's got some quirks but hopefully it matur-

>:soycry: MY WORKFLOW NOOOO

I wonder if someone will get mad at it because the town it's named after is 90% white, 10% asian (white rice not brown rice), and 0% anything else lol. Kind of amazing that my old hometown is now exclusively known for a fricking compositor. I mostly know it as a factory for bitches with names like "Katie Chung" with the most severe case of white fever known to man.

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Only a year ago Wayland couldn't handle window transparency, broke regularly on Nvidia GPUs, and on live-sticks. And that's just what I encountered first hand.

The workflow I don't want to break is being able to display my windows with my display server, when Wayland can manage that they can replace X11.

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Open source developers should never lift a finger for novideo support.


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Wayland is fricking broken. It needs to be nuked and started again and planned out properly.

https://dudemanguy.github.io/blog/posts/2022-06-10-wayland-xorg/wayland-xorg.html

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You think Wayland suffers from being developed without good planning? Wait until you hear the history of x11..

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Reminder: here we're removing one 8-line text file that you can put back if you really still want to use X11. This is intended as a hard signal that it's past time to finish work on missing features (color management, VR, whatever else; I know there are many such issues) but it's not going to stop a sufficiently-determined user from creating the text file and continuing on as before.

Basically nothing is important enough to block this as it's an important next step to make sure developers understand that GNOME won't support X11 for much longer, and features they care about need to be implemented ASAP.

Then !99 would land at some undetermined future time, and that would really remove the X11 support. !99 would be an appropriate place to discuss which missing features are sufficiently important to be blockers. This !98 should land now regardless.

Awe too bad, not as dramatic as was implied. :marseygiveup:


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Color management is a total clusterfrick I really hope Wayland manages to solve. On X11, there is basically no way that I could find to make color-managed and non-color-managed (ie, implicit srgb) apps display correct colors at the same time, and of course on wayland it's unimplemented as of yet. The situation didn't look much better on Windows, either. My solution was to set my monitor to its "srgb mode" and ignore any of its wide-gamut features, but that's really a shame.

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I mean I get that's annoying but it is funny to me the β€œbig blockers” of Wayland right now are Color Management and VR.

That's pretty small potatoes considering where it was even a couple years ago.


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It's hard to consider it a blocker, except for real professionals, when it was never really good in X. It's more just a feature that would be really nice to have.

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Nooooo you have to support this 50-year-old hacked together kludge that requires a delicately choreographed .xinitrc in order to function as well as Windows did back in 1991!!!!!

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The saddest part is that the people arguing for Wayland are also the ones posting it's biggest Ls and using them as arguments.

Just one of the many reasons that Lunix is a fricking joke and will never be anything other than a cheap server OS.

Yes, Valve made a handheld system based on it. All the ecosystem is based around their proprietary store and will continue to be that way as long as you have to rely on a bunch of random mouthbreathers to modify and compile applications for your specific distro.

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The fact that X11 suffers from screen tearing unless you take special steps to eliminate it. That's the real L.

"Screen tearing shouldn't be a thing" is like saying "a basic USB keyboard should just work when you plug it in, without configuration." In other words, this is something sane people believe.

And no, "just install picom" isn't a counterargument to that. I'm not saying screen tearing is difficult to eliminate, i'm saying it's embarrassing that it exists in X11 in the first place.

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