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argue about cloud hosting versus self hosting for hundreds of comments
You get the just "self host everything and do it all DIY in a collocation datacenter" 
nerds versus the "I pay for multiple 28 core vms for my status checker app. The cloud just works" 
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In my opinion the story here is that AWS allowed them to quickly build and prove out a business idea. This in turn afforded them the luxury to make this kind of switch. Cloud did it's job
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Cloud makes sense for small businesses and start ups.
I've been working on a business case for us taking our Microsoft server estate into "the cloud" and, for a giant established organisation, there just isn't one. It's way more expensive.
But aggressive sales tactics keep making heads of IT itchy and wanting to jump on board.
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The pricing is bonkers at scale, they give discounts in a way that makes it near impossible to know what you are paying
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Not as bad as Bloomberg. They straight up won't tell you their pricing formulas. It's like going to the doctor, they just send you a bill at the end of the month.
I'm still shocked they're still relevant but regrettably they are.
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Its why AWS has a cost calculator. You have to hire competent AWS guys to minimize cost and predict costs but most people who put AWS on their resumes are r-slurs.
It all depends on the use case as well. Its your only option for data analysis workloads unless you want to make a cluster in a DC that you may not use in a couple years.
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That's not what I'm talking about, we get discounts on our bill but they aren't represented anywhere except the bill and it's not something like 10% off, it's different discounts for different resource types. It makes it very hard to know the true cost of anything without digging into what they promised.
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Interesting. We got an enterprise discount but only the billing lady who controlled the master account knew the numbers.
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I work at a big cloud provider and last year I racked up more than 100k in nominal costs from random test resources that I forgot to delete and nobody even noticed.
Our test pipelines can easily use up millions of dollars in usage in a year, but of course our actual costs are nowhere close to that. For customers, it's all about negotiating discounts, like you say. Nobody is paying anything close to the list price at scale.
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Cloud is incredibly convenient and you don't have any commitment(unless you pre-purchase hours for a discount) and a lot of things people don't think about when it comes to renting rack space are abstracted away. On the flip side, most people haven't dealt with a company what has owned servers, even tech employees, so now people are hooked on the convenience and guarantees. If you want hybrid cloud, you're going to have to pay someone a pretty penny who knows how to do both which is rare.
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You could also just Google hybrid cloud set up and get a $50k IT guy to do it
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Big companies won't go for that. They want more competent people than an "IT guy". They'd just hire a sexy Indian dude at that price.
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found the incel
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