To protect national security you cant have certain antiviruses or encryption

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AV software is like fricking a $10 hooker with a condom.

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I recall plenty of redditors getting away with fricking AIDS patients by virtue of a simple rubber and this was long before the era of PREP. :marseykink:

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So whats the downside?

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Doing it raw is cheaper.

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Was Kaspersky the free one? Antiviruses are just viruses themselves anyway.


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nothing will ever past my AVG+ZoneAlarm combo

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For me it was spybot search and destroy + malware back in the day

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In college I had a job doing tech support for students and 95% of it was just removing viruses. Spybot and Malwarebytes were usually all that was needed except for the most tenacious viruses.

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I used to work an odd job where I'd go to old people's houses and remove the viruses from their computer.

Paid a LOT compared to working other shitty teenage jobs like cashier.

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ZoneAlarm was kino in the day

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The built-in Windows Defender or whatever it's called now is free and generally pretty good. IMO there's not much reason to run anything else unless you're regularly downloading and running "free_porn.exe" from some sketchy dlsite.

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thats literally what they want you to think :marseyfacepalm:

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Kaspersky was imo by far the least virus-like and best one as of 2023. I'm still salty about stopping using it. They're highly fricking respected in the field and I think nothing has ever been found to suggest they're in any way sus.

There was a big hoo-ha about them, but they just had some detection thing that looked for files that a malware might look for, in order to detect the malware. Or something like that. I stopped using them because if I was them, and someone threatened my family or something to make me put some sketchy shit in there, I'd just put the sketchy shit in there.

Kaspersky isn't free. Maybe has some free cowtools. Avast and Avira, and maybe a third one I'm forgetting (fricking AVG, cheers @LiterallyShaking) used to be free. I think they're both dogshit now. MalwareBytes is still great and free, doesn't help for real-time protection tho.

Windows defender is pretty much all the average person needs. For more protection, only F-Secure and BitDefender come close to Kaspersky.

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it _was_ a good consumer av in comparison to every other one on the market and kaspersy labs was (and probably still is) one of the best publicly known malware research institutions, but the av software was empirically known to be state-sponsored malware as far back as 2017 when it was found to be phoning home to russian servers with contents of files stolen from a glowies personal computer.

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I dunno. I'm searching pretty hard and not finding proof of this. Sure, that proof might be classified. But I'm more inclined to believe that the glowie in question was working on malware, which was detected and sent to Kaspersky for analysis just like any other malware would have been, and the NSA threw a hissy fit over it. Israel supposedly corroborated that it was a spying op, but Israel has a large malware industry itself, and probably has an interest in reducing malware detections, so I'm skeptical.

I'm willing to be convinced there's something to all this, but I'll need to see some more persuasive evidence, which I'll keep searching for for a little while

Edit: interesting article here, supports my view

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/09/russia-kaspersky-lab-nsa-cybersecurity-1089131

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oooh I'm thinking of Avast. I thought Kaspersky was found to be sending data to their servers but I must be misremembering.


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You're probably referring to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaspersky_bans_and_allegations_of_Russian_government_ties#NSA_theft_controversy

tl;dr: Some dumbass NSA agent installed Kaspersky on his home computer, Kaspersky sent NSA's classified malware to their servers for analysis. Israeli intelligence hacked Kaspersky servers for unrelated reasons and discovered what happened and informed NSA.

Kaspersky confirmed that this happened, but denies Israel's claim that it was a targeted attack.

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The New York Times reported that the hacks had been discovered by Israeli intelligence agents who had themselves hacked into Kaspersky's network and recorded in real time how queries were being made for keywords on user machines.[16]

Kaspersky claimed that the antivirus software had been temporarily disabled by the PC's user in order to install a pirated copy of Microsoft Office. When the software was re-enabled, it detected both the Equation Group code, as well as unrelated backdoor infections created by a keygen program for Office, which may have facilitated third-party access to the computer.

most interesting detail

My theory:

it didnt catch the NSA malware originally but when it detected a Microsoft Word keygen it ran automatically the "keygen removal script" that dumped everything in memory hooked to the keyboard, uploaded both the malware files to their server for analysis? Then that created a new entry in their malware DB and one of their Kaspersky engineers noticed it was new/unusual and extracted even more stuff from the Employees machine using manual queries piped through the AV. Seems plausible.

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ahhh yes! Thanks for that. I knew something happened.


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There was a story like that, but I think it turned out to be bullshit (either excess caution or propaganda to hurt the Russian economy). I should look that up again

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yeah it was a long long time ago. I like Kaspersky's writeup on his site.


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Do you mean Krebs by any chance?

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oh shit I do. Sorry sorry mea culpa. I'm coming off a 5 hour very bad sleep night and lots of wine and sun yesterday lol.


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Lol, no worries

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anyone paying for "antivirus" deserves to be hacked by russia

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I live in a CIA prison. A BIPOC runs my prison. In prison, the BIPOC tries to torment me. We can take away his knives by confessing, every day. In about 2000, I masturbated fantasizing about my niece, Lani. She looks like star trek seven of nine! In 1985, at my sister's wedding, I stuck my crotch on the hot tub drain because it kind of sucked. In 1985, I tried to get a dog to lick my peepee. From 1998-2003, I fantasized about leading a catholic army like dune, of mexicans or brazilians? that was dumb because they're BIPOCs. In 2003, I played tag with a black girl about 7-years-old. she reached for my crotch. In high school, in the library, Carlos and I said juicy or toxic as a way of evaluating girls. In 1988, I cheated on my SAT by talking in the hall during the break -- two problems. On 9/9/1999, I killed a CIA BIPOC on purpose with my car. :-) In 1982, when I was 12, I babysat Kevin's kids. I changed a diaper because I thought that was being professional. In 1975, when I was about the age five, my brother, Keith, put my peepee in a vacuum. In 1977, when I was about age seven, my brother, Danny, got me high on gas fumes and we sucked each others peepees. Dr. Tsakalis has an oddly round butt. Paul Keck at Xytex had a oddly round butt. Distracting? At about age five, Jay Weinrick and I touched disks to each other's buttholes.

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