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Big tech doesn't want you. it doesn't want some bald journoid who spent a summer learning python in some gay summer camp.

The demand for god's chosen neurodivergents (!codecels) will quite literally never go away until we're automated by GPT-12 or whatever.


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It's amazing how little work 'business' types do.

Reading emails and writing trello fills up 40% of their days, and HR meetings are the rest 60%.

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cope coderboi, there is fluff everywhere, but powerpoints carry more meaning than your software in making money

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powerpoints carry more meaning than your software in making money

Do business people really believe this? I'm not one for the "my job is real work" peepee measuring contest, but really?

Addendum: I'm neither a software engineer nor a manager. If you tie your self-worth to how much Goldstein Inc. makes in profit every month, you're an r-slur.

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>be me

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Honestly one of the realest jobs out there. Managerial types usually lie about what they do and hire morons who couldnt run a business to save their life

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Successfully pitching products is way more difficult than whatever useless fixes or features codecucks normally work on.

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making shit up to sell my our products is really hard guyz, now we need you to make this feature in a week so we don't get sued

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Sounds like you should get back to work then codecuck.

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You say this like anybody who needs a vacuum and can afford a Kirby wouldn't buy one the second they saw it.

Sometimes I wonder if salecels aren't just acting like r-slurs to seem relatable

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codercels are like garbage men, etc. like "WITHOUT ME THE WORLD WOULD ROT IN SEWAGE" like yea your work is important for the real work to work

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Yeah they're like if garbage men created the products you buy out of thin air

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no, the powerpoint people created the products, also steve jobs

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:#marseymeds:

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sales is literally the only important department

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>the spoiler telling the wheel it is the reason the car is moving

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Execs are profoundly stupid and will layoff their wheel makers to hire more spoiler designers if not shown a PowerPoint that explains what wheels do every other week.

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>horn thinks it's a wheel

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Tbf 90% of my job as a codecel is arguing with people on chat or sitting in video meetings arguing with people.

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How productive! When did you get tired of your backwards company?

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I mean I literally just got a new job because I want to do some actual engineering work, so you are not wrong.

As far as "when" it's been annoying me more and more for like the last year or so.

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Uea but that's the silent part BIPOC

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The average programmer is really really bad at their job and yet they are also really arrogant. I deal with a many developers that I have to consistently guide away from some crazy solution to a problem that they think is new and unique, when there's already a simple accepted solution. It doesn't help that PMs are happy to accept shit work because they would rather ship now and then ship it again 6 months when we realize the solution doesn't scale past 5% of users.

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My friend I mentioned in my other comment here has some young programmers working for him, and he recently had to deal with one of them unnecessarily restructuring legacy code because he didn't like how it was written. Not that it didn't work exactly as it was supposed to - it just wasn't up to his arbitrary standards of what good code looks like.

I told him that the way you deal with a kid like that is, instead of telling him that he's being an butthole (which he was) you lean into his ridiculous, unearned arrogance by telling him that he's too smart to be working on legacy code, and from now on, you only want him to focus on new development, because otherwise he's wasting his important skills. Apparently this was highly effective.

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Treating coworkers like shit bites you in the butt later.

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That's because the barrier to entry got lowered. The mega soulful backend neurodivergents who do leetcode on the shitter with their ancient butt blackberry sshd into their home server will always be in demand


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Lol stop working at an underpaid shithole.

Good companies hire good programmers.

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I have a friend who is in senior management of IT at a large educational institution. Because they're connected to the state government, they would prefer to hire locals, but for programming positions, virtually no locals ever apply. This is starting to change, slowly, because CS graduates can't go get paid $250K for an entry level job at Amazon or wherever at the moment (which they could, if they were top of their class, only a few years ago). But the reality is that every company needs IT staff and there aren't enough :marseytunaktunak: to fill every single role.

This is all a rerun anyway, the exact same thing played out when all the OG internet companies folded in 2001. There's always something else to do in this field if you get laid off.

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I've applied to IT work before but they usually get hung on on the whole degree needing part of it when its like neighbor this isn't a programming job. I'm not gonna be writing some ton of c++ and code, I'm just setting up electronics and systems and figuring how to get a cylinder into its proper hole. When that's done then I just make sure the local tard isn't downloading malware. I think understanding the operating systems is enough

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That's a good point. It's also a relatively recent cultural change that it's like that now. When I started out, you definitely didn't need a degree to work in IT, especially a CS degree because 95% of your classes are wasted on an IT job anyway.

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If I had a dime for every Gen-X/Millenial code or networking monkey I know who didn't graduate college... tho then again when it comes to getting the high-paying corpo gigs even a humanities degree is better than nothing because HR roasties are nothing but checkbox-ticking midwits

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there aren't enough :marseytunaktunak: to fill every single role.

Fake news

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