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Big tech doesn't want you. it doesn't want some bald journoid who spent a summer learning python in some gay summer camp.

The demand for god's chosen neurodivergents (!codecels) will quite literally never go away until we're automated by GPT-12 or whatever.


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It's amazing how little work 'business' types do.

Reading emails and writing trello fills up 40% of their days, and HR meetings are the rest 60%.

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cope coderboi, there is fluff everywhere, but powerpoints carry more meaning than your software in making money

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>the spoiler telling the wheel it is the reason the car is moving

:marseylau#ghpoundfist:

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Execs are profoundly stupid and will layoff their wheel makers to hire more spoiler designers if not shown a PowerPoint that explains what wheels do every other week.

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>horn thinks it's a wheel

:#marseysipping:

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powerpoints carry more meaning than your software in making money

Do business people really believe this? I'm not one for the "my job is real work" peepee measuring contest, but really?

Addendum: I'm neither a software engineer nor a manager. If you tie your self-worth to how much Goldstein Inc. makes in profit every month, you're an r-slur.

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Successfully pitching products is way more difficult than whatever useless fixes or features codecucks normally work on.

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making shit up to sell my our products is really hard guyz, now we need you to make this feature in a week so we don't get sued

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Sounds like you should get back to work then codecuck.

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You say this like anybody who needs a vacuum and can afford a Kirby wouldn't buy one the second they saw it.

Sometimes I wonder if salecels aren't just acting like r-slurs to seem relatable

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codercels are like garbage men, etc. like "WITHOUT ME THE WORLD WOULD ROT IN SEWAGE" like yea your work is important for the real work to work

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Yeah they're like if garbage men created the products you buy out of thin air

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no, the powerpoint people created the products, also steve jobs

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:#marseymeds:

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sales is literally the only important department

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>be me

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Honestly one of the realest jobs out there. Managerial types usually lie about what they do and hire morons who couldnt run a business to save their life

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Tbf 90% of my job as a codecel is arguing with people on chat or sitting in video meetings arguing with people.

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How productive! When did you get tired of your backwards company?

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I mean I literally just got a new job because I want to do some actual engineering work, so you are not wrong.

As far as "when" it's been annoying me more and more for like the last year or so.

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Uea but that's the silent part BIPOC

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The average programmer is really really bad at their job and yet they are also really arrogant. I deal with a many developers that I have to consistently guide away from some crazy solution to a problem that they think is new and unique, when there's already a simple accepted solution. It doesn't help that PMs are happy to accept shit work because they would rather ship now and then ship it again 6 months when we realize the solution doesn't scale past 5% of users.

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My friend I mentioned in my other comment here has some young programmers working for him, and he recently had to deal with one of them unnecessarily restructuring legacy code because he didn't like how it was written. Not that it didn't work exactly as it was supposed to - it just wasn't up to his arbitrary standards of what good code looks like.

I told him that the way you deal with a kid like that is, instead of telling him that he's being an butthole (which he was) you lean into his ridiculous, unearned arrogance by telling him that he's too smart to be working on legacy code, and from now on, you only want him to focus on new development, because otherwise he's wasting his important skills. Apparently this was highly effective.

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Treating coworkers like shit bites you in the butt later.

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That's because the barrier to entry got lowered. The mega soulful backend neurodivergents who do leetcode on the shitter with their ancient butt blackberry sshd into their home server will always be in demand


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Lol stop working at an underpaid shithole.

Good companies hire good programmers.

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I have a friend who is in senior management of IT at a large educational institution. Because they're connected to the state government, they would prefer to hire locals, but for programming positions, virtually no locals ever apply. This is starting to change, slowly, because CS graduates can't go get paid $250K for an entry level job at Amazon or wherever at the moment (which they could, if they were top of their class, only a few years ago). But the reality is that every company needs IT staff and there aren't enough :marseytunaktunak: to fill every single role.

This is all a rerun anyway, the exact same thing played out when all the OG internet companies folded in 2001. There's always something else to do in this field if you get laid off.

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I've applied to IT work before but they usually get hung on on the whole degree needing part of it when its like neighbor this isn't a programming job. I'm not gonna be writing some ton of c++ and code, I'm just setting up electronics and systems and figuring how to get a cylinder into its proper hole. When that's done then I just make sure the local tard isn't downloading malware. I think understanding the operating systems is enough

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That's a good point. It's also a relatively recent cultural change that it's like that now. When I started out, you definitely didn't need a degree to work in IT, especially a CS degree because 95% of your classes are wasted on an IT job anyway.

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If I had a dime for every Gen-X/Millenial code or networking monkey I know who didn't graduate college... tho then again when it comes to getting the high-paying corpo gigs even a humanities degree is better than nothing because HR roasties are nothing but checkbox-ticking midwits

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there aren't enough :marseytunaktunak: to fill every single role.

Fake news

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>the demand for unskilled employees is going down

seems like a good thing tbh

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Entry requirements are insane too. If you haven't studied GPT 4 in 2019 you might as well look for jobs in customer service...

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Remember to change all instances of "Machine Learning" to "Artificial Intelligence" in your resume to beat the HR goblins!

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I saw an entry thing that paid $24 an hour wanting 5 years previous experience and a degree

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Wow that's so little.

Do you still have the link?

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tl;dw but IMO it's a great time to be a senior SWE and a bad time to a new grad.

If you have that "senior" in your title and you're good at your job, you're still getting daily recruiter mail and can probably get an interview wherever you want without too much work. Comp is still crazy for senior as well. A strong offer from a top tier company is probably around 500k.

I can't even remember the last time we hired a new grad though. It seems pretty rough out there for junior engineers. I feel kind of bad for all these people who fell for the learn to code meme and went through coding boot camps or whatever in 2021 thinking they were going to walk into a cushy SWE job.

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new engineers are seriously fricked right now

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Yeah man, we had an intern like two years ago who is just now finding a full time role. I think he ended up just going back to get a masters after searching for a few months, but I'm not sure.

Tbf he was a no hire for us, but still I'm surprised he had such a hard time.

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Advice? Computer engineering here

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Have good personal projects and network like your life depends on it. If you're still in college get an internship asap for real experience.

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Rip I graduate in December.

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I would highly advise trying to get an internship/experience by any means necessary.

but also unless you want to be stuck testing forever don't take a testing job. It's very hard to work out of.

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I don't think softdev advice is in any way applicable to computer engineering

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True but I'm taking what I can get

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Don't be bad at your job and dont suck as an intern

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>I feel kind of bad for all these people who fell for the learn to code meme and went through coding boot camps or whatever in 2021 thinking they were going to walk into a cushy SWE job.

Tbf it was like that for a little while. 2021cels just got in after the bubble burst

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Yeah things were pretty stupid for a while during covid. We're still paying for it imo.

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I've had a senior title at my last 2 positions but I don't think I'd even make it through a junior interview at a FAANG company.

Small teams with little mentorship so I'm sure I've picked up bunch of bad habits over the years and have glaring gaps in knowledge. And the older I get the less I give a shit to keep up with it all.

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For junior roles it's just a matter of being smart enough to grind leetcode. Tbh I'm not great at it, but somehow I made it though :marseyshrug:

Anyway once you're senior it weights more heavily towards system design and behavioral. I think I spent 4 weeks studying for interviews this time? Ideally you'd have a few months I think. It also helps if you're day to day job is relevant, of course.

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>you need to learn to code!

>women in STEM

>DEI

All attempts to pump up the supply side of the codecel job market. All failed cause a bootcamp can't give you mathbrain :marseywholesome:

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None of my contacts in the industry have been laid off, and they all say its useless DEI jobs or sales people being let go.

Im sure some of these are actual tech jobs, but most aren't.

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My company laid of alot of IT, but the good codecels I know werent. Im not certain any codecels got laid off...

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that's why i chose to learn how to draw my little pony futa porn instead

it's a growth industry

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Go browse /ic/ for a bit and you will see that this is categorically false.

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Big tech does want me though :)

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holy shit this twink has the worst fricking voice ever

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mickphobia

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I live in a CIA prison. A BIPOC runs my prison. In prison, the BIPOC tries to torment me. We can take away his knives by confessing, every day. In about 2000, I masturbated fantasizing about my niece, Lani. She looks like star trek seven of nine! In 1985, at my sister's wedding, I stuck my crotch on the hot tub drain because it kind of sucked. In 1985, I tried to get a dog to lick my peepee. From 1998-2003, I fantasized about leading a catholic army like dune, of mexicans or brazilians? that was dumb because they're BIPOCs. In 2003, I played tag with a black girl about 7-years-old. she reached for my crotch. In high school, in the library, Carlos and I said juicy or toxic as a way of evaluating girls. In 1988, I cheated on my SAT by talking in the hall during the break -- two problems. On 9/9/1999, I killed a CIA BIPOC on purpose with my car. :-) In 1982, when I was 12, I babysat Kevin's kids. I changed a diaper because I thought that was being professional. In 1975, when I was about the age five, my brother, Keith, put my peepee in a vacuum. In 1977, when I was about age seven, my brother, Danny, got me high on gas fumes and we sucked each others peepees. Dr. Tsakalis has an oddly round butt. Paul Keck at Xytex had a oddly round butt. Distracting? At about age five, Jay Weinrick and I touched disks to each other's buttholes.

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I'm struggling with this right now. Idk what I'm gonna do as I don't know how to get my foot in the door.

I don't even need to go to FAANG I just want a job and most college classes don't even touch on the weird frameworks most random jobs require 5+ years of experience in. And even worse smarter people than me are graduating and fighting for these jobs too

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Stop being honest. You had a startup with your college buddies and [bullshit until you've ticked whatever boxes they want].

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Same position

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it's really blackpilling to see that every job won't hire, the supply of grads growing means its all fricked and all the offers are in the low twenties, yet people drawing degenerate anime loli murder pornography can easily get $500 a piece

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Be fearful when others are greedy and too be greedy only when others are fearful. You dumb neighbor.

Surprised too Learn Buffet is not part of Jewish Lives Matter

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