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This dude has been a member of Ars Technica's forums for 24 years and somehow thinks that the AI bubble is bursting because... it's continuously getting better and new products are being launched? Maybe he's just talking about the financial side of things but even then I don't really see it.
Imagine the reportmaxxing potential on a 24-year-old account.
These guys make Redditors look smart.
I'm sorry that you missed the crypto boom, please get over it.
This is the most downkongd comment in the thread. Attacking China is BANNED.
This comment was also towards the bottom, but has 67 upkongs so must be a fairly popular opinion.
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I know someone whose boss looked at chatgpt and decided we're gonna let chatgpt run the entire office now. When people are sceptical about AI, I get it in cases like that. I think managers and those whose work consists of organising people and who don't have any real technical ability quickly overestimate the competence of AI since to them it looks like some chirpy happy to help employee that can do anything and costs almost nothing. I think the fact that it sounds like a human too really messes with people's brains. If you ask someone to talk about an intelligent person that they know, they won't tell you about someone intelligent but about someone who's charismatic. We're wired to be impressed by social ability and it's really difficult to look beyond that instinct. So when someone releases a product that seems to have social ability, everyone goes crazy about it.
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this is a good point lol
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How people are talking about AI is really funny. Like with recent discussion I saw some highly liked xeet talking about how he got the AI to reveal China govt's AI policy. And its just summarizing what you'd get from a google search. Which is really all questions people ask of AI. But this guy and everyone replying to him thought they pulled a fast one on CCP and had some trade secrets or w/e. It was hilarious.
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Hey, at least they're having fun playing with their toys.
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ChatGPT isn't even charismatic. It has the personality of that guy at the bar whom you strike up a conversation with and almost immediately regret because he goes on and on without paying attention to what you want, to the point that you start obviously looking at the attractive girls at the bar instead of paying attention to him, while hoping that he'll get the hint and start being fun or frick off, but he keeps going until you just have to drop him, even though you have empathy for his psychological distance from you. ChatGPT has been censored so heavily that it's hard to have an actually fun interaction with it unless you're the kind of person who spends 16 hours a day thinking about how to optimize hardware or something. It's kind of sad. The technology seems like it has so much potential if companies didn't censor it so hard.
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It has really given me a dim view of human intelligence. We're really all just apes chirping the same patterns back and forth to each other. Only
@Fresh_Start is capable of complex thought.
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I sadly agree, AI is the one field I actually know. And watching a huge influx of people get almost everything wrong about it was driving me insane for a couple of days.
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The financial bubble could definitely burst, AI is currently massively overfunded for what it's actually providing. The entire tech industry is throwing billions at a technology that makes absolutely no profit even for the biggest companies (chat gpt consistently loses money on every customer). On a similar vein some of the big players are in a really precarious financial position, like open AI and their totally fricked relationship with Microsoft
It wouldn't take much to make all the investment bros recoil and for all that money to just vanish overnight
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I mean that's a perfect example of the point - the internet is certainly a big technology but the dot com bubble was very real, and popped very dramatically, and burned a lot of financial investors. Both of those things can be true, moron
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Yeah this image is kind of a midwit test
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People have posted this image talking about hundreds of things that didn't turn out to be the internet's second coming. AGI would have an apocalyptic impact on humanity but LLMs are not AGI and the jury will be out on them for many years.
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I used to sneed at this but honestly when you think on it, it's really not that far off. There was no enormous paradigm shift caused by the internet. It was just a new way of information to spread and over the years it has usurped traditional forms of communication but not in a way fundamentally different from how they already were. Just more direct.
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No, it's pretty dumb because it's obviously wrong.
That's not what he's expecting from the internet.
Everything we do has been changed by the internet.
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I mean if you want to explain I'm willing to hear you out.
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Unless you generalise right down to 'transmitting information in the form of words' or something like that, it's different to anything we've ever had in history. I mean just what we're doing right now talking to each other like this would seem really bizarre if you weren't used to it already.
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Same with going from horse buggies to cars, man.
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fax machine is more revolutionary than internet though
and telephone is more than both
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then there's the telegram of course
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It kind of reminds me of the whole VR thing where people are convinced that some life changing development is just around the corner for years on end.
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VR is prime adhder fitness paradise
Gone are the boring walks, runs or fricking gym repetitions. I'd shoot aliens to dubstep 10 times from 10 and grow glutes at the same time all in 15 minutes before my coding session to oxygenate the brain properly
The HMD isn't gathering dust that's for sure
How can people just go running for 30 minutes same route or operate gym machines and find that interesting day by fricking day for years is beyond me. Mindless zombie normies, frick them in their strange, stale anuses.
No but seriously it's insane to do same thing for literal years and not keep yourself safe in the process
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Can you actually exercise with that big weight on your head?
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My neck is so ripped I could hang myself and it wouldn't kill me
No but seriously 600g-700 or so on the head balanced properly with no cables is something easy to get used to and it is stable because it pushes against the face and against the back of your head. For 30 minutes of jumping around it is adequate.
2 hours - pain
some people sleep in this shit
I once tried vrchat to see what it is all about and holy frick never again. It's some kind of mentally ill breeding grounds with the worst self harm emo type of people you could possibly find
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1h of relative peace of mind thinking about lifting rocks does wonders for my mental health when i'm hit with massive amounts of terminally online internet shit every day. Sometimes less stimulation is good
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Total VRcel here too. Wireless headset, full body tracking rig. Blade & Sorcery is my primary game. The thrill of spin kicking an opponent in real time has never worn off.
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Isn't AI already providing great stuff? Like.. free porn
Or.. free erotica
Or instahoe filters
Ok i'm joking but I heard it can be used for medicinal purposes too, like neural networks or whatever can read people's minds by listening to brainwaves. I'm just more educated on the porn side
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The profit comes when employees are no longer needed. Also, the tech bros didn't just drink
the kool aid. They made it.
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This ride-share thing is ridiculous! Uber and Lyft don't even make a profit, and companies are throwing billions at it. Blah blah blah.
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Do you think that investment bros just always win forever and bubbles simply do not exist?
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Gotta take the risk if you want the reward, but the mindset of "it's always a bubble" won't get anything done.
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The dot com bubble was still a bubble even if the internet has continuously gotten more and more ubiquitous.
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i mean if the cost of production just dropped by 3 orders of magnitude, then spending billions on investment is just highly regarded as stupid
the bubble popping wouldn't imply ai goes away, just the insane overflation of blowhards making promises that will never live up to the goalposts that keep on moving.
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Are the Chinese known to lie?
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if it were just a paid service they were trying to brag about i'd be incredibly skeptical,
but they went and published how they did it. so we'll know soon enough.
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Couldn't they just invest all those billions into making a better model using the new methods?
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or what just happened is the cost of reaching a point of serious demising returns was made 3 orders of magnitude cheaper.
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Ars comment section is an absolute goldmine of seethe especially when it's about AI
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Lot of China fanboys in there. How peculiar.
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They hate orange man so much that they'd happily commit treason
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I'm still convinced this Internet thing is just a fad, and gonna blow over any day now
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Your post broke several of the site guidelines, by (1) not posting in the flamewar style, including nationalistic flamebait, (2) not being snarky, (3) not doing enough political battle, and (4) commenting about getting downkongd. Would you mind reviewing https://rdrama.net/h/slackernews/rules and sticking to the rules? We'd appreciate it because we're trying to create heck here.
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