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Windoze user drama over the user friendliness of linux in a linux haters sub 
because the majority of Linux users are toxic, fragmentation of Linux with 100000000 distributions which are useless.
/u/No_Cover4954 you are a kitty b-word
It is use friendly but it's not stupid friendly (like windows) , they don't care to make it stupid friendly
Fragmentation and dot it yourself mentality is its own undoing. Oh and "I like it this way so everyone can frick off".
Because linux sucks
How is it not user friendly? I use kubuntu and the kde plasma desktop environment is very similar to windows, you have a startmenu, settings, dolphin for file management, discover for installing your applications, you can right click your desktop and configure a wallpaper, I put my bluetooth gamepad in pairing mode and connect it to my pc, i start steam and play the same games that I played on Windows. In most everyday use cases its very similar to what windows users are familiar with.
I think Linux is pretty user friendly. What are you expecting exactly?
It's not popular on desktop because no big company was backing it as a desktop OS in the beginning or at least they weren't aiming to make it popular, and by the time Chrome OS came along Windows and Mac OS were well established. Is that what you are talking about? It has nothing to do with the lack of community effort to make it user friendly. Chrome OS and Steam OS have made big efforts in improving the state of Linux desktop but it's very hard to overthrow a well established duopoly. Just like how Windows failed to enter the Smartphone market while Mac OS (iOS) and Linux (Android) succeeded.
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What he probably expects is a 1:1 copy of Windows
That's exactly what i want from linux [
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Loonix hater going mask off that he wants linux to be exactly like winblows lmao
Because of diehard terminal elitists and allergies to implementing GUIs.
/u/notaduck448_ nobody cares, just ignore them if you don't like terminal elitists, there are plenty of linux DEs that are better than The trashy Windows and mediocre macOS GUIs, misinformed linux hater.
This is an incredibly, profoundly out of touch take.
First of all "Linux" isn't a company.
Secondly, and more ridiculously that it has to be explained, the state of user friendliness in the Linux family of operating systems has grown by several orders of magnitude since its inception.
Even just following Ubuntu from 2006 to now I've seen vast improvements. And Ubuntu itself back then WAS a vast improvement in user friendliness compared to other distros back then.
This isn't just a case of you having a different opinion than me. You're really just... Objectively wrong. I remember compiling a tutorial in 2006 to get the wmp54gs wireless card working on Ubuntu. It was a very common card. Many steps were involved. Feisty Fawn in 2007 broke my tutorial. It has been literally over a decade since getting common wireless cards to work required that much effort. There may be a handful that aren't well supported but it's more likely these days by far that you'll have no trouble with it than that you will.
Widespread adoption of Linux desktop is not an agreed apon goal of the Linux community.
Linux is a semi-descendant of Unix, a mainframe OS designed for an attending well informed administrator and remote users with less knowledge.
Today Linux is a server OS first, everything can be done with the console becase most instalations don't even have a desktop gui, this is the development direction.
Your asesment is correct, somone good with Linux (an administrator) can set it up for a grandmother or in my case Wife (user) and it will work great. But you need that administrator arround who knows what is going on.
Linux dumbed down enough to be safe for the masses unassisted is Android & ChromeOS.
You will meet Linux where it is or you won't use it.
#3 but that is a massive cope lmao
Because by the time you created one, the next linux guy said your OS sucks and should switch to a newer linux.
In my experience, most of Linux's "user unfriendliness" comes from different distros doing things differently and making it harder to google "how to do ___ in Linux?"
There's not really a solution that doesn't defeat half the purpose of Linux existing, so… 🤷🏻♂️
#4 and it should stay that way
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On windows if I want to use old software I can just download an executable/installer and it comes with all the necessary dependencies and just works, even if the software was abandoned 20 years ago.
On Linux you have to use a package manager and beg it to have the software and all dependencies, and if even one of these doesn't have an active developer "maintaining" it (tard word meaning babysitting it to fix it every time a dependency or os change breaks something which is often) then the whole installation will just fail with often no clear reason or solution given. (And god forbid if whatever repo your package manager uses has deemed a dependency unmaintained/obsulete and removed the package; then you're truly fricked)
Additionally if you want non mainstream software your only option is to build the software from scratch from someone's source code repository on github. This usually involves manually installing dependencies and multiple IDEs and setting up custom project compilings with even more obscure coding project managers you will install only to compile this one program.
These linux problems literally just don't happen on windows. On windows you just download a binary and it will just work. I've only seen a software on windows require user compilation once and it was because the dev was making no real progress in development and didn't want people to see it.
Half the time if it's not a mainstream project Linux devs will just do this shit because linux itself is shattered into a million distros that are often not 100% compatible with each other.
There is literally no reason for linux to be like this. It makes installing software that would take 5 min max on windows turn into a 2 hour nightmare. It's not even a programmer thing (I code too), it's just software developers jerking themselves off over their project/IDE setup.
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Microsoft have undermined this
Many programs don't include the dependencies, instead their installers check to see if the dependencies are already present and if not they download the installers for them
From Microsoft
Who have a tradition of breaking all their links every few years
You also have occasional genius programmers like the ones at Sony, their installer for their PC to Vita sync tool makes it mandatory to download dead-link Microsoft dependencies EVEN IF you already have them, so that's just totally fricking broken
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90% of windows programs that have dependencies not packaged use .net framework or vc++ redistributable so what you're complaining about is a non issue on windows.
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At this point older programs work better via WINE then win 10/11 as MS drops more and more old dlls lol !linuxchads
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on linux you can just download whatever you want from wherever you want and install it. you only need to do it via the package manager if you want to ensure future compatibility and updates, but windows users don't have that either.
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the point is that you don't need to install linux programs via a package manager, if you're happy to deal with updates and compatibility yourself (or let the program deal with it) the way you do it on windows.
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How is it anywhere nearly the same when directly getting software from a dev on linux requires manually hunting down and installing a dozen dependencies when on windows I can just download 1 executable and everything comes with it?
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this never happens.
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It does and I have lived experience of it.
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The reason is that all the software is open source, and having binary compatibility with every previous version is a massive burden that makes software worse, all so some r-slurs can download an unsafe executable from a website and run it will full privileges. It's better to just rely on source compatibility and upgrade the API every once and a while.
Windows is an example of software that is completely burdened by binary compatibility. They literally can't improve the OS because they need to support old interfaces from the DOS era to today, users see this in the form of having 7 different settings menus that don't work while still having less sandboxing than a modern OS like android. Not to mention that they still have to drop APIs and Interfaces and shit at their own discretion, fricking over old developers, like XNA and UWP
You can set up a debian chroot or something to run old software on linux (this is sort of how steam works, and also appimages and flatpaks and shit) and see why this is fricking r-slurred when things start breaking because they link to an old SSL library and then you have to deal with multiple versions of libraries for each app. If you want binary compatibility, use a compatibility layer like WINE (it now has better compatibility with old windows programs than modern windows), or run web apps.
This is also why windows is shit on ARM but linux is fine: all the programs that are expected to be recompiled for the new architecture are nowhere to be found. On linux it just works.
IDE shit is cancer, the advantage of doing it this way is that of this shit gets scripted.
You can do static compilation on linux too its just that no one really does static compilation for big libraries like SSL or Mesa that are expected to be shared.
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Your post exemplifies everything wrong with linux devs and their anti-consumer stance. You complain about stupid shit nobody cares about or is affected by (XNA? UWP? ARM? Who cares?) and use these meaningless critiques to justify abominable software distribution practices (requiring all software to have someone babysit it in perpetuity or else you make it unavailable to users,).
On windows end users can just download software and run it out of the box. On Linux it's a 50/50.
Your entire post is out of touch with end users of computers (normal people, not softwate dev neurodivergents or zoomer iphone r-slurs but normal people) and it's why everyone will always complain about Linux not being user friendly and also why Linux will never have a market share like a real OS like Windows.
Windows is winning not by being better, but by everyone being worse.
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How do you think other software works, exactly ? Try installing some 32-bit garbage that hasn't been updated since Vista on your Windows 11 and see what happens
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I literally did this last week and it just works, that's what happens. Thank you Microsoft!
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If you are fricking still using windows 11 in 2025 then I have nothing to say other then the fricking same thing I say to poor people.
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It's still available. How about you just compile and install it yourself? If it's like a qt4 program and your whole system is qt6 that means you have to rewrite a ton of code. That's basically the issue. Otherwise you get stuck maintaining reverse-compatability to an old interface like win32 and that restricts the design of the whole system. MacOS is the same way, except instead of being able to recompile and patch the app yourself, they have an army of developers willing to update their software so that so they can get some of that app store $$$
Normalstrags are accustomed to the way windows does things, that doesn't necessarily mean thats the right way of doing things and you should stop everything to cater to their desires. A lot of normalstrags are just old and are on their way out anyways. Normalstrags don't have much agency to affect any change themselves, so they are always just going to have to go along with whatever works.
Windows isn't winning or improving at all, it's just continuing to exist by merit of its first-mover advantage. It failed to migrate to ARM64, it failed to become a tablet/phone OS back in the windows 8 days and now it is trapped on a dying architecture. It is losing market share to MacOS. Linux is slowly gaining social capital amongst people who actually need to use a computer.
The user cares when they pick up a laptop from best buy and it has weird issues and wont run the software they want, and the geek squad tells them its because of something called "ARM" and they have to get a refund. The user cares in 5 years when every windows laptop on the market is hotter and slower than a macbook because windows is locked into x86 forever and AMD is the only company that will make those chips. The user cares in 10 years when a XNA or UWP app doesn't work, and you've given them this expectation that they can just download any old program and have it "just work".
Windows and MacOS aren't real OSes, they are more of a weird thin client OS that continues to exist because of consumer habits.
This is just like a surface level critique of the first thing that prevents you from doing what you want instead of actually thinking about why the system is designed that way. Why don't they just make the whole plane out of the black box material? If you install fedora or something, they have like an app store or something for everything in the repo: thats pretty much the same as android and iOS works except without the malware.
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No thanks, I'll stick to windows where it takes just a couple clicks to run the program in compatibility mode and it just works.
Barely anyone uses linux because it's just not consumer friendly and you literally admit this and cope about it. This is why windows dominates, not because it has "first mover advantage" (unix was developed 20 years before windows lol).
Real people use real OS like windows and macos and it shows in their absolute market dominance. Anything else is pure cope, especially nonsense about linux having "social capital" among social rejects who will spend 2 hours just to get 1 program to run (real people have real jobs and don't have time for such r-slurred nonsense).
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On mainframes, not consumer PCs.
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And on minicomputers which were the immediate predecessors to modern personal computers.
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end users shouldn't use linux. they should buy apple devices and feel like they belong to an exclusive club of sophisticated creatives.
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no way
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Use appimages, incel
https://appimage.org/
They're the future
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Tell that to linux devs
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Didn't read
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