notation in math feels like unnecessary gatekeeping 
, proofs must be written in pseudocode for-loops 
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I hate the symbols in math so much. It just feels like unnecessary gatekeeping for trivial concepts. How many mathematical proofs could be made widely accessible with just a little bit of psuedocode?
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Based codecel
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At first I wad mad, but I respect the follow up. Apologizing on the internet is for bitches, especially to Twitter pile-ons.
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the thing that gets me about math notation is why do they have to use the letters that rhyme? its always e, c, p, g, t, z, v so confusing.
n and m are the worse because they sound and look so similar especially when pronounced by some chinese phd student, yet theyre always used together in compsci. used to drive me insane
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Me too. But I'm a mathematical formalist.
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As a mathematician, everyone in CompSci is an absolute brainlet and can go frick themselves. I love failing the compsci majors who have to take my Calculus classes and then complain the entire time that it's proof based.
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Last semester I took an introductory cryptography class which was crosslisted such that it could be taken either as a math or a CS class. My university has a site where you can see the grade distributions for different courses and sections, so I took a look at that course and noticed something interesting in the data. The math section listing of the class had 2/3s of students getting As, while the CS listing had about the same proportion failing, how strange.
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Bruc, the most fun is failing the CS students in Discrete Math
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how could you plausibly fail discrete math lol, that shit was barely even a class and more like an enjoyable break from work
https://classicreload.com/win3x-skifree.html
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On every final. "Prove sqrt(5) is not rational." Then they give an example.
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How many in your class actually are going to use calculus at all? I think it's funny to have it as a way to weed out r-slurs but I had to take it twice (once for business once for comp sci) and I don't think I ever had to use it outside class, especially the ones with trig bullshit. I will say though that having a solid understanding of compound interest at a young age was beneficial.
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Spoken like a true compsci chud. Want to know the fastest way to piss a professor off? Ask them "When will we use this IRL?"
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Lambda calc is useful but the vast majority of codecels will either just copypaste that shit from github if they need it.
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finally, uppercase numbers
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Someone should make this guy program in APL
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Mathcels trying to stop their jobs from being automated away by programmercels
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Progcels cant proof tho
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I hate the mathemetarded.
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your gay little for loops are just summations, frick you codecels, learn lambda calculus b-word
humblest codecel
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Let’s remove all layers of abstractions and return to monke
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What a fricking r-slur
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Someone should show him Index or Einstein Notation. It's basically that.
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Soyboy beta cucks can't handle sigma notation
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The point of for loops being a notation for this in code is because we can't easily type out Summation in a text editor. Also For loops are a bit more advanced with what you can put in them.
Vice versa for math, you can't easily write out code on a paper, but you can definitely draw a big fat E sigma icon with scribbles on the sides.
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why do codecels have to be actual r-slurs. Math symbols are that way for a reason, for example people have to write them on blackboards and paper so terseness is important. If you cannot keep track of the meaning of a couple symbols you should have learned in high school then you are not intelligent enough to understand any actual mathematics.
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I would always frick up writing the Sigma symbol when trying to write fast
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I like the idea that they are scared of it solely because it's bigger, and I'm pretty sure a lot of people unironically think this way.
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Because it's a webshitter. Webshitters don't really do any math
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t. brainlet
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Lol easy fix, just use einstein notation, no
at all
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God bless that notation, keeps my tensors clean
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he sounds dumb
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"It would take way more time and space to express these 'simple' concepts with ur obtuse idea"
"Thats a horrible metric!"
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I appreciate that being a woman, furry, and able to code is sufficient for 70k followers on Twitter.
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Well you know what you gotta do now to get that Twitter fame
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I can’t code
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Frick yall math nerd academic butt nigqas hes right, all the greek symbols are stupid and pseudocode makes more sense. And yeah before you ask I took 3 calc classes, diff eq and linear algebra which just reinforced my belief that math nerds are r-slurs who get off on thinking knowing all that shit makes them smart.
Maybe if you were so smart your asses wouldnt be broke lmfao.
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Le C- face
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A pass is a pass maybe those A students should integrate some bitches into their lives
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You would have an actual mental breakdown if you tried to solve an equation ivolving sigma notation with pseudocode. Just fricking imagine writing out all that redundant syntax like 20 times.
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How is 3 lines of interspersed numbers, letters, and brackets simpler than a big E?
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I call the multiplication notation smegma (sigma but with a “M” for multiplication) and basically my entire signals class started using the term too
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you mean Pi for product?
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Lol.
That's literally capital Greek Pi for product though. Not the hardest thing to remember.
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The problem is that it’s just called product which kinda sucks for explaining verbally to people. Tbf though most proofs make 0 sense explained out loud, you have to read them to follow.
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That's really sad that you have to resort to making up stupid names for things in order to feel superior. Grow up and learn to deal with reality.
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Bro I hate tech twitter ppl so bad
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If I see a for-loop I have to look at it and read it to understand it. Because not every for-loop can be replaced by a math symbol.
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For loop can always be replaced. If there is gonna be a known amount of iterations. If you don't know use another form of iteration
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Why would you want to replace a for loop with something else if it's going to be a known amount of iterations? That doesn't make any sense.
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I mean by the sigma notation. Then it is different thing about readability
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You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
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You can do it. Looks like shit and barely readable. It be sum function that doesn't sum anything. But just does other shit inside it.
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Yeah, well maybe if you actually knew how to code you wouldn't be such a fricking moron. But since you're clearly an idiot, I'll spell it out for you: your code is garbage and barely readable because it doesn't do anything. So maybe you should learn how to code before you try and write any more.
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Are you referring to loop unrolling? Because that would mean I have to even more code to notice if there's a small change from the "short" version.
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god forbid you look at the table in the front of the book that explains all these, these aren't even that hard of symbols. I hate the union operators where they have a "U" that is in all directions. was never able to read that one efficiently.
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Person used to reading code finds math symbols confusing. Wants math symbols replaced by code. Somehow unaware that people who are used to reading math symbols would find code confusing.
In other news, I think French speakers should be made to speak English, because I find French very confusing, and English seems so easily understood by comparison. So we'd actually be helping them.
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You're more tolerant than I am. I think French speakers should be executed
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I agree both with the OP and u
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No you still see standard math notation in computer science papers all the fucking time, this guy's just incredibly autistic
If nothing else, typesetting pseudocode in a paper takes at least a thousand times as long as
a_i\in\mathbb{Z}\ \forall\ i\in\{1,2,...,x\}\Rightarrow\exists\ \{b_1,b_2,...,b_x\}\in\mathbb{Z}\ :\ (\prod_{i=1}^{x}a_i\lambda(n)+1)=(\sum_{i=1}^{x}b_i\lambda(n)^i)+1, which is already ugly enough, and god forbid you have to rearrange it at some pointJump in the discussion.
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Yeah like has he never read a paper on ML or recsys or anything tangentially related? They love their notation.
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$\sum_{n=1}^{n=4}\left(3n\right)^{4}$
rdrama natively supports LaTeX when?
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Using simple math logic symbols makes things so much clear and understandable. The math notation produce so much less clutter and shit than pseudocode.
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Yeah, but the problem with simple math logic symbols is that you have to do the work. With pseudocode, you just type it in, and the machine does all the work.
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I don't even know how you would show a logical inference in pseudocode either.
Or do we need to learn a new syntax with different kinds of equal signs that no one will even agree on 
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....you mean this?
A | B |A->B
T | T | T
T | F | F
F | T | T
F | F | T
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there are plenty of latex packages for coding that are super easy
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And also don't fit any publication's style requirements
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if self publishing is enough for flat earthers it’s enough for codecels
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If you're looking for something easy, you're in the wrong place. Coding is hard work and takes a lot of dedication. If you're not willing to put in the effort, you might as well give up now.
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true that’s why i work at F@gman
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Why don't you go work at McDonald's if you're so unhappy with your current job?
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TC or GTFO
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Wrong
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English speakers will not stop until we colonize all Romance languages
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Half of Anglo-Saxon gibberish is already french
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I would like to see how he writes his calculus exam in pseudocode lmao.
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I literally did stuff like this. When I was in high school, graphing calculators were fairly new, and we were allowed to use them on tests. Many of the teachers didn't realize or didn't care that you could program all the formulas into them, so that's what all the programmercels did. It's not cheating if you exploit a loophole they didn't ban yet
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tbf if you programmed it yourself you probably retained it better than your classmates and learned something like programming which is a win for society too.
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LPT i used a ti89 with symbolic diff/integration through hs. OP
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actually we used to define computational logic in math symbols,
but that's a terrible way of writing logic that's understable, so we stopped doing that very quickly.
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The
"writing logic in code is easier" dramanaut vs the 
Kenneth E. Iverson:
link
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tisms say the darndest things literally nobody cares about
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Code monkeys too dumb to understand why DSLs are useful.
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how is that even possible lol ? its in the name. they are good for sucking peepee
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I agree, we should make francs speak a real language like English.
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No, I do not want to understand what the french say
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I posted my reply here without actually reading the Twitter conversation. And now I have, there's a guy posting this:
Why did we both independently pick on French speakers?
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