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EFFORTPOST :marseybigbrain: how turing was wrong: part 1

this is of course, waaay too fking technical for you to actually understand... so please close this post now and go back to eating that bag of dog cum u had saved up for later, i ain't judging!

but academia is waaay too stiff for me, i much prefer the flaccid dicks rdrama has to offer, so here goes:

in his paper "on computable numbers" turing spent the first half of the paper inventing the theory of modern computing, and proving that said machines he theorized can be described by a single finite length natural number, called it's description number. if u have no idea what that means, or even what binary machines code is... srsly i do recommend consulting that bag of dog semen for further info.

now, the fact these machines can be assigned a unique finite-length number, as each binary code for a machine is unique, has the effect that they as a set, can be bijected with, or assigned a one-to-one relationship to, the set of natural numbers. this has the important implication of being able to count them, meaning we can list then out one by one, in some order, without skipping over any. yes, yes, ur mum told u that u can do anything (u can't), but mathcels get very ornery and uptight about what it means to be able to successfully count a set of things, as not all sets are countable. for example u might think u can just count all real numbers, but actually ur too busy drinking dog sperm while cantor chuckles softly in background, so it won't ever happen.

lets move onto the title line: "computable number". the concept is simple, even for you: it's just a number which we can build a machine for, that can calculate any nth digit. for example: pi is a computable number because we can build a machine that can eventually calculate any nth digit of pi. now there are an infinite number of these, obv, and because these computable numbers can be associated with the machines that compute them, and machine are countable... these computable numbers are countable, as well. muster up all of whatever the fuck that is u call a brain, and don't forget it! (u will)

this brings us to the famous §8 where basically everyone thinks turing went on to prove some ground breaking, mind bending, result of the ages, but was actually just a series of fuckups that has largely contributed to the ungodly world of idiocracy we witness today, in which we confused our ignorance for knowledge and declared math as indefinitely incomplete. just like ur parents marriage.

the section more or less goes like:

well, if machines that compute numbers are countable, then the count can be tricked! i could do this by writing a machine that counts through them, and for each nth machine, calculates the nth digit, returns the inverse of that nth digit, and i can use this to build an inversed diagonal number β. because this β would contain a digit different from every other number on the list, it can't exist is the count!

but since that can't be possible, what's wrong here is counting them would be equivalent to solving the halting problem, and there is no known method of doing that, so obviously we can't acktually count them. so therefore the set of computable numbers stays countable, because they aren't able to be counted. furthermore, because this has the disadvantage that it may leave the reader with a feeling that "there must be something wrong", i will present the halting paradox that backs this up! fin. bow down and suck the dick of incompleteness u fools!

now what a fking mess: the set of computable numbers remains "countable", because we have no method to acktually count them!? i must say, i truly am left with the feeling that "there must be something wrong". i appreciate the effort for the modern theory of computing, turing, but ya shouda stopped there... and i don't want to get into the fact literally all of computer science from then until now just dogpiled ontop with biazzare classifications to justify this like "countable" vs "recursively enumerable" that basically does fuck all but jerk off about how right this!

so anyone else spot the error? no, u didn't, don't fking lie to me, u can't do it. ur a fucking idiot like everyone else. u actually drank all that dog cum, and moved onto raiding the cat litter. marsey is disappoint. :marseyunamused:

but mommy put ur dumbass through a bootcamp cause u failed out of collage, twice, and now u consider urself a "codecel". so let me translate the issue into a language that resembles the utter dogshit u barf up day after day:

inverse_diagonal = (n: number) -> {
  count = 0
  for (comptuable_number) in (enumerate.computable_numbers()) {
    if (count < n)
      count += 1
    else
      return computable_number(n) ? 0 : 1
  }
}

enumerate_diagonal = () -> {
  for (n = 0; true; n++) print inverse_diagonal(n);
}

running enumerate_diagonal is the machine turing claims can calculate β. the problem is it can't actually do that, and it can't do that regardless of whether this would solve the halting problem or not. that halting connection a totally an irrelevant thread turing had no business going down, because there is a more fundamental reason why this doesn't work...

still can't see? ok, i'll throw u a bone, it's a bit healthier than that cat shit u've been munching on. recall that we are counting through the computable numbers, "enumerate" being a fancy word for doing this, so the iterable enumerate.computable_numbers() must iterate over all computable numbers. if turing's claim is to be true, this must also include inverse_diagonal itself, what happens then?

.... no? still don't get it?? god i really am gunna spell out everything line by line, eh? fuck:

  • (1) inverse_diagonal is the machine that computes digits of β.

  • (2) at some input n, the variable comptuable_number will be the machine inverse_diagonal referring to itself, as if β is to be part of the set of computable numbers, then the machine that computes it will need to eventually be enumerated upon,

  • (3) at that point, inverse_diagonal will run the equivalent of inverse_diagonal(n) and get stuck in infinite recursion.

  • (4) therefore, you cannot prove the halting process contradictory through means of β, as β cannot give an inverse to it's own nth number, and therefore cannot be a proper inverse diagonal, regardless of any "hidden assumption" about solving the halting problem. that was totally necessary to bring up.

if u can't understand it now, u had no business reading this post in the first place, and just go jump off a building or something fun like that. ur daddy will be proud that u've learned to fly! think of it as "falling with style". :marseyplanecrash:

for that one slightly less of a retard still with me:

it's absolutely absurd turing didn't see this. the dude went on to proudly to use an infinite recursion issue in his paradox construction on the very next page, so why didn't he see that here? heck he even intuited a sense of wrongness about these initial thoughts on the matter, but i guess was so enamored by the halting problem he just didn't dig deep enough into β to recognize the wrongness inadvertently he went down. i can't explain that anymore than the idiots that just jumped off a building over an rdrama suggestion, that they voluntarily read :marseyshrug:

honestly, i accept the dude being fallible, i forgive u turing. u gave us the theory of modern computing, and that really was a fucking stroke of genius for the ages. this mistep is almost entirely not ur fault.

but what i really can't explain is how the flying fuck this went unnoticed for so long.

what the fuck have mathcels being doing?!

:marseypeanutbrain:

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EFFORTPOST GoDaddy Customer Support Cute twinks

>Hi there. Hope you are doing well.

>May I know the domain name?

You at 12:26, Sep 6:

Yes it's bgillettephoto.com

I'm trying to forward it to bradgillette.net, but every time it asks me to verify and sends me a code, it says the code is incorrect, even though I'm copying it verbatim

Now it says I'm locked out from doing that for seven days

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>Pranjal dhiman at 12:27, Sep 6:

>Thank you for sharing your concern, I will definitely help you. Please help us to validate the account so we can check from our end and assist you better

>Pranjal dhiman has sent you a Secure Form: PIN and Customer Number

>The following Secure Form has been submitted: PIN and Customer Number

>Thank you so much. We have successfully validated the account. Please allow me a few minutes to check this further into the account for you.

>We've sent a one-time password

>to your email b*********************@G***l.com

>You've requested more than 5 one-time passwords for this action on this domain in a 7-day period. For your protection, you will not be able to request another one-time password for the next 7 days.

You at 12:29, Sep 6:

Every time I've been sent a one-time password it says it's the wrong password

I've entered each password exactly as sent to me yet it says its not correct and now I can't do my job for seven days

That's unacceptable

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>Pranjal dhiman at 12:34, Sep 6:

>I apologies for the inconvenience caused to you.

>May I know how many times you try to add the verification PIN.

You at 12:35, Sep 6:

It's never asked me for a verification pin. It has sent me a "one time password" that's six digits long, seven times, and each time it says it's the wrong password

Read

>Pranjal dhiman at 12:37, Sep 6:

>Yes, I am referring to the verification six digit code.

You at 12:39, Sep 6:

There is something wrong with the verification system as it keeps sending me the wrong six digit code. They do not work

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>Pranjal dhiman at 12:40, Sep 6:

>No need to worry, let me check with the dedicated team.

>May I know did you clear the cache of the browser once you get the error of wrong password?

You at 12:43, Sep 6:

I haven't but even if I did it now, it will tell me I'm not allowed to do that for seven days

Read

>Pranjal dhiman at 12:44, Sep 6:

>Yes as the security purpose the account is locked for 7 days. You can add forwarding after 7 days.

You at 12:45, Sep 6:

That's unacceptable as it's to no fault of my own.

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>Pranjal dhiman at 12:46, Sep 6:

>I can understand as this is for the security purspose so no one can do any changes in the account.

You at 12:46, Sep 6:

EACH TIME I ENTERED THE CODE I WAS SENT, I WAS TOLD IT WAS THE WRONG CODE. I'M NOT R-SLURRED, I CAN COPY A SIX DIGIT CODE. SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH YOUR SYSTEM

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>Pranjal dhiman at 12:46, Sep 6:

>No need to worry, I will escalate it from my end so you can not face the issue more.

You at 12:46, Sep 6:

SO SINCE YOUR SYSTEM IS MESSED UP, IN SEVEN DAYS I'LL JUST END UP IN THE SAME LOOP BECAUSE YOUR CODES DO NOT WORK

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>Pranjal dhiman at 12:49, Sep 6:

>Please allow me 2-3 minutes, I am escalating the issue to the dedicated team.

>As I can check we need to wait for 24-48 hours after that you can make the changes in the forwarding.

You at 12:53, Sep 6:

That's still unacceptable. I just passed out my card to 100 people and now they're being directed to a website that doesn't exist because of a mess up on your end

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>Pranjal dhiman at 12:54, Sep 6:

>I can understand as this is for the security purpose only. We do not have access to make the changes in the lock period.

You at 12:56, Sep 6:

Well you've lost me as a customer. As soon as possible I will be transferring my domain.

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>Pranjal dhiman at 12:56, Sep 6:

>As when the wrong password is try multiples time the system temporary locked for the security purpose.

You at 12:57, Sep 6:

But I entered the password I was sent

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>Pranjal dhiman at 12:59, Sep 6:

>May I know did you try in the incognito window once?

You at 13:01, Sep 6:

I did not try it in incognito. All I did was enter the passwords I was sent when I was sent them and each time I was told it was the wrong password. I should not have to go through hoops to make a simple change to my domain simply because your system is sending the wrong passwords.

>Pranjal dhiman at 13:02, Sep 6:

>I can understand as the domain is locked for 7 days, we do not have access to unlock it.

You at 13:04, Sep 6:

You already told me you could change the forwarding in 24-48 hours. So either you lied in saying you could do so, or you're lying now in saying it will take seven days.

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After giving them all zeros on their survey, they're texting me via "Daisy" asking me to explain the issue.

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And often I don't get a say in what browser to use, cuz fricking public libraries or workstations at work all have Chrome by default, and I can't just always use my personal work laptop whenever I wish.

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Lol nobody gives a shit about Edge.


Like I know I've bitched and moaned about how trash Google is, but every time i see something which encapsulates just HOW brokenshit horrifyingly bad shit has become in just 10 years alone. Video is about 26 min, I'll summarize the bullet points - as in each point is horrifying enough to put a bullet into your own head :marseytrollgun: :marseysuicide: :marseysuicide: :marseysuicide:


[1] Even though Google has been proven to be worse than a decade ago through incompetence, beyond that Google ALSO makes their search results ACTIVELY worse and DELIBERATELY worse. Why???

They need people to "suffer", aka spend more time wrestling with the system because that leads to retention of attention - in other words, the longer a user spends on the Google frontpage to search for shit, the longer they can be exposed to advertisements. And it doesn't matter that 100% of dramatards have adblock, 80% of users are turbo boomer normies who don't know any better and/or are willing to tolerate ungodly amounts of spammy ads and and shit.


[2] Both men are aghast the Top Level Leadership of Google is to actively go against the very objective of the Product of Google: where the original intention of Google was to aid people in finding stuff on the internet, and thus it's bad for ad revenue if peeps find stuff IMMEDIATELY.

One man interestingly makes a comment that he cannot think of many industries which deliberately makes a worse product for the goal of greater income, to which his co-host immediately replies that there are many non-software examples: such as the proliferation of Shrinkflation (trying to sell smaller products for the same price, hoping consumers won't notice), or planned obsolescence (the practice of designing products to break quickly or become obsolete in the short to mid-term, so as to sell more of it to the same targets), and so on. Thus it's unsurprising that Google would follow the same pattern.


[3] From the discussion came that Google deliberately tries to get people to spend time up until page 2 of search results, as that is the maximum target page searchers reach before giving up entirely or using another search engine - the fricks at Google do this for the sake of DOUBLING the potential adverts shown to people.


[4] I knew reddit results shown behind searches increased the likeliness of getting tech or hardware help, but I wasn't aware Google had an active fricking business PARTNERSHIP with reddit which actively promoted reddit's fricking search results.


[5] Google is constantly looking to datascrape "curated" content like reddit subreddits, in order to have databases from which to pull from in their AI models. But it's also small forum sites which Google is pillaging, which in turn could end up being the death of small scale hobby specialist forums or websites.

An example being talked was a metric shitload of AI spam in places like Youtube Shorts, where AI generated crap outnumbers the legitimate content. An example cited between the two men was AI Bloat trash having taken over Gardening Instruction Videos on Youtube and especially Youtube Shorts.

And Yes darmatards :marseyjerkoffsmile: I know you high IQ guys probably hate and don't like Youtube Shorts, and I don't either, and I personally don't give a shit about gardening either - but I do care about widescale internet link rot and consolidation, and Gardening Hobbies and other niche shit being fricked over by AI spam will never remain contained.

And apparently many of these smallscale hobbyist channels or sites fricked by AI span were reliant on Youtube Shorts to get a foot in the door of attracting a beginner audience.

Deviant Art has been positively spammed by AI Slop shit - I would scroll cool DA art on my phone and be excited to find my feed clogged up with dogshit uncanny valley bullshit

Thus Google's AI generated bullshit may end up being the death of niche hobbyist websites or communities.


[6] Soooooo much AI spam crap already exists on all corners of the internet, that AI models scraping shit like Deviant Art for example are being polluted by existing AI art - so that they frick up the models, because these new art are not always labelled as AI, and currently AI is too stupid to detect IF art is AI to begin with.

Thus a perpetual incestuous cycle can begin, where the uncanny valley might be increased constantly :marseyouroboros: :marseyouroboros: :marseyouroboros: :marseyouroboros:

And this is also the reason the men are most Doomposting in their talk :marseydoomer: :marseydoomer: :marseydoomer: :marseydoomer: because AI or Gemini shit replacing tech support search or niche hobby/topic websites would mean future content be perpetually degrading AI swill to support it.


Thoughts dramatards?

Also it's official: what not-chrome alternative is the best, how does Opera GX compare or is it gaymer trash

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EFFORTPOST Whose afraid of Tux? :marseypenguin: :!marseyscream: :marseybsod: A brief History of Microsoft's Cold War against Linux

Last time on the OS Wars: we covered a brief overview of Unix and the Windows NT kernel and a strange document known as the UNIX haters handbook.

In the modern age its common for people to decry the anti-consumer practices of big tech and long for the old internet. Well let me say tech companies have always been corrupt pieces of shit even before the advent of the internet. Case in point Microsoft who has a list of anti trust suites so long I have to break it up into multiple posts, and IBM who taught Microsoft many of these practices ("I learned it from you dad :marseyshisha:"). In fact IBM was so evil back in the day Apple made a name for itself by just being not IBM. Thats what the famous 1984 Macintosh is about. It is Apple saying "IBM and its clone licensee program are a hair's bredth away from monopolizing the industry and doing god knows what and only Apple can stop them by providing competition".

Some of Microsoft's most infamous general mafia tactics include threatening OEMs who offered other OS's on their computer or tried to ship duel boot :marseyishygddt:. Vaporware: whenever a competitor had a shiny new innovative project you claim you are working on your even better version of that concept which is almost out even if it has barely entered development (most notably done during the making of Windows 1.01 to try and remove the steam from other DOS based GUIs like GEM, Top Veiw, and Vision).

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FUD (yeah this doesnt just come from crypto) where Microsoft would spead Fear, uncertainty, and doubt about competitors projects working on their software such as the AARD code debacle where Windows 3.1 would throw random, nonsesical error messages if any DOS version (most notably DR-DOS) other then MS-DOS or PC-DOS was used even though the user could simply exit the error messages and everything would work as normal.

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Embrace, Extend, Extinguish: a three step process where microsoft embraces an open standard, they then add a bunch of proprietary features on top of said standard which make it incompatible with the open standard, and then let your improved standard become the new standard and since it is proprietary everyone is forced into your ecosystem. Basically it is a roach motel easy to enter and hard to leave. Examples of this include word, internet explorer, and java++. Of these the office suite was the most successful, and Github is shaping up to be the next major EEE event.

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In 1987Andrew S. Tanenbaum a computer science professor created the UNIX like micro-kernel known as Minix which was intended as a companion to his textbook Operating Systems: Design and Implementation to give students a toy OS to learn from. In 1983 Richard Stallman formed the GNU foundation, a group which seeks to free the computing world via the GPL license which was created in response to the UNIX wars, a subset of the OS wars cause the unclear licensing and copyright of the UNIX operating system, and the increasingly closed source nature of programs. In 1989 Lynne and William Jolitz began work on the 386BSD, an OS based on the Berkley Standard Distribution of UNIX, which was set to be the first open source OS inspired by the GNU foundation had BSD not gotten into a length legal battle with UNIX System Laboratories at AT&T. In 1990 Finn Linus Torvalds was taking a UNIX course at University of Helsinki which had Operating Systems: Design and Implementation and Minix as required reading. He wanted to play with Minix but was frustrated with its restrictive licensing so he created his own Unix like Kernal known as Linux. As Linux became licensed under GPL it began being worked on by the GNU foundation who replaced many of the Minix like aspects of it to make it more in line with UNIX. Releasing in 1991 Linux became the first free and open source operating system as 386BSD ended up releasing in 1992. Throughout the mid 90s as UNIX languished under the UNIX wars and Windows was looking to win the OS wars many institutions and corporations began to switch to Linux to avoid the monopoly of Windows.

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This growth especially in the server market began to concern Microsoft who began holding internal disscussions and memos on how to best deal with Linux and free software. These documents became known as the Halloween Documents as they were published by FOSS advocate Eric S. Raymond which consist of leaked internal memos and emails, and official Microsoft press statements on Linux and FOSS software. In these documents Microsoft shares their fears of Linux whose free and UNIX like nature made it more attractive for previously UNIX based servers to switch to over Windows NT. They explicitly state that FOSS software is too useful to just be FU'd awayMicrosoft also feared that competitors like IBM or Sun would used Linux to reduce dependency on Microsoft and that OEMs like Dell could begin offering Linux based machines in order to crib better licensing deals on Windows. Microsoft also notes that Linux's FOSS nature allows it to receive bug fixes at a faster rate the Windows giving them a leg up on Window's "third times the charm" release strategy where Microsoft ships a buggy and shitty product which users beta test into a better one.

Microsoft pointed out two main avenues for attacking Linux. One, by attacking UNIX using EEE via their UNIX subsystem for Windows NT add on. Two, to find some way to use copyright and patent law against Linux and GPL.

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Consequently, OSS poses a direct, short-term revenue and platform threat to Microsoft -- particularly in server space. Additionally, the intrinsic parallelism and free idea exchange in OSS has benefits that are not replicable with our current licensing model and therefore present a long term developer mindshare threat. [...]

Loosely applied to the vernacular of the software industry, a product/process is long-term credible if FUD tactics can not be used to combat it. OSS is Long-Term Credible. OSS systems are considered credible because the source code is available from potentially millions of places and individuals. [...]

Beating Linux [...]Fold extended functionality into commodity protocols / services and create new protocols. Linux's homebase is currently commodity network and server infrastructure. By folding extended functionality (e.g. Storage+ in file systems, DAV/POD for networking) into today's commodity services, we raise the bar & change the rules of the game.

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PC OEM's. Other worst case adoption scenarios are subsets of the Sun / IBM case and involve other PC vendors such as Compaq and Dell. Note, however, that Compaq and Dell merely have to credibly threaten Linux adoption in order to push for lower OEM OS pricing. [...]

Beat UNIX. The single biggest contributor to Linux's success is the general viability of the UNIX market. Systematically attacking UNIX in general helps attack Linux in particular. Some Linux-targeted initiatives in this space (not a comprehensive list) include: UNIX services for NT Add-on pack [...]

The Linux community is very willing to copy features from other OS's if it will serve their needs. Consequently, there is the very real long term threat that as MS expends the development dollars to create a bevy of new features in NT, Linux will simply cherry pick the best features an incorporate them into their codebase. The effect of patents and copyright in combatting Linux remains to be investigated.

After this leak Microsoft released a press release explaining that the leaks were real but did not express the actual opinion of Redound as a whole and was simply a routine analysis of competitors with no ill will or malice towards linux:

https://archive.is/VEu6l

On the Memo:

It appears to be a document written within Microsoft in August, with some annotation by others. It is routine and appropriate for Microsoft - and we would assume all other vendors - to research, write about, and assess all competitors ... both from a business model point of view and from a technical point of view. It is not an "official position" by Microsoft on Linux. It is a technical analysis written by an engineer in a staff capacity, and designed to encourage discussion.

On Linux:

Sometimes Linux competes with Windows NT. This is hardly news. But it is not NT vs Linux. Dramatically demonstrates the wildly different business models of the OS marketplace and the vigorous competition at every level (technical, alliances, applications, channels and business model) that characterize the industry. In addition, however, Linux is an alternative to/competitor for other versions of UNIX, especially RISC UNIX - in fact this may be the more powerful affect in the marketplace. Has an utterly different business, support, and investment model from the comprehensive, integrated Microsoft model for Windows NT, which has attracted millions of developers and tens of thousands of applications. Linux is a philosophy as much as technical phenomena. On the positive, and Microsoft is interested in better understanding and finding ways to accommodate this dynamic, it provides for extensive peer review, and for a lot of independent parallel work on a variety of features. The negatives are stark, however: no long term roadmap ... and no way to get one, individuals are a non-scalable factor in the development at various control points, no intellectual property protection means that the deep investments needed by the industry in infrastructure will gravitate to other business models. Unless Linux violates IP rights, it will fail to deliver innovation over the long run.

Notice that pesky IP claim again interesting.

As UNIX languished Novell, creators of the Netware OS and was the #2 software manufacture behind microsoft, purchased numerous companies including Word Perfect and UNIX System Laboratories from AT&T in the mid 90s. Becoming a distributor and licensor of Unix. In 2002 SCO Group purchased out Santa Cruz Operation and their licensed UNIX products

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In 2003 SCO Group claimed they owned UNIX and that all other UNIX companies were violating their copyright. They also claimed Linux and Minix contained stolen code from UNIX and were also violating their copy right. They were so confident in their claim they said they would sue every UNIX and Linux distributor, client, and end user. Their claims were immediately met with skepticism as the previous UNIX legal battle of AT&T and BSD had been very unsuccessful. The court found that much of UNIX had been written before the copyright act of 1976 and was such a mishmash of third party code actually untangling the copyright of individual code blocks would be next to impossible and pressured AT&T to settle out of court.

Still SCO Group pressed on and launched a series of lolsuites across 2003-2004 so disastrous some wouldn't end up fully complete until 2021. One lawsuit against IBM alleged IBM stole UNIX code to add into Linux. One against Novell accused Novell of slander since Novell claimed they owned Linux which hampered SCO group's ability to collect protection money :marseymobster2:licensing fees. One against Red Hat was just because they sold Linux. One against Autozone since Autozone used Linux. Finally, one against DaimlerChrysler since they switched from UNIX to Linux and didn't immediately respond to a letter from SCO Group asking them to recertify back to UNIX as somehow this was illegal. Also changing OS's was apparently not allowed in the UNIX licensee agreement even though this was stated nowhere. At the same time in March 2004 Halloween Document X contained a leaked email from Mike Anderer to SCO's Chris Sontag about Microsoft had given over $86 million dollars to SCO Group via the BayStar investment group:

Chris:

I know you were going totalk to Bob later Friday, but I figured I would outline the issues.

1. Baystar is easy as they were just a Microsoft referral and would be 2% [...]

I realize the last negotiations are not as much fun, but Microsoft will have brough in $86 million for us including Baystar. The next deal we should be able to get from $16-20, but it will be brutial as it is for go to makerket work and some licences. I know we can do this , if everyone stays on board and still wants to do a deal. I just want to get this deal and move away from corp dev and out into the marketing andfield dollars....In this market we can get $3-5 million in incremental deals and not have to go through the gauntlet which will get tougher next week with the SR VP's.

We should line up some small acquisitions here to jump start this if we do it. We shoudl also do this ASAP. Microsoft also indicated there was a lot more money out there and they would clearly rather use Baystar "like" entities to help us get signifigantly more money if we want to grow further or do acquisitions

This Microsoft deal is the Ante to the poker game...We should get this done and go after several $2-3 Million deals from the expense side of their company.

Having destabilized the UNIX and Linux market they were a part of SCO Group had tanked their revenue and were rapidly on the verge of bankruptcy due to all the legal fees meaning Microsoft was at the time a primary factor in keeping them from bankrupcy.

By 2007 the main Novell case was ended with the courts determining Novell was the rightful owner of UNIX owning UNIX System Laboratories and that SCO Group only owned a UNIX license. This meant SCO Group was behind on a shit ton of license payments to Novell and also owed all of the license fees they had collected to Novell. Novell on their end said there was no copyright infringement with Linux and would pursue no further legal action.

Meanwhile in 2004 another Linux copy right case was brewing. The Alexis de Tocqueville Institution was a right wing think tank which published books and papers on a variety of subjects such as the B-2 bomber program, education funding, and associated with the cooler heads anti climate change group. Most famously they published numerous papers decrying open source. The most famous being "Samizdat: And Other Issues Regarding the 'Source' of Open Source Code" a preprint book which alleges that the Linux kernel was illegally copied from Minix, Open Source code is untraceable and liable to contain copyright infringement, and that the GPL license is anti-capitalist and bad for the economy. The book never made it out of preprint since it was so terrible everyone lambasted it out of the gate. Its primary reasoning as to why Linux was stolen was that there was no way Linus would be smart enough to make it on his own. Kenneth Brown of the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution had hired Alexey Toptygin to prove Linux stole from Minix when Alexey Toptygin found no evidence of theft he was simply kicked off the book with the study never being mentioned in it. Andrew Tanenbaum had talked to Ken Brown during the writing of the book and repeatedly explained Linus didn't still from him which Ken Brown ignored. Linus had not been contacted by Ken Brown and again denied that Linux was stolen. On top of that the claim that closed source programs never stole code was laughable as Microsoft has been proven to have swiped BSD code a few times (which was permissible under the BSD license but a instance of rank hypocrisy on Ken Brown). With both the Linux and Minix creator disagreeing with Brown the book had 0 legs to stand on with its theft claim and was never published.

FOSS advocates were quick to point out Microsoft had funded the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution for 5 years but Microsoft denied having any say in the precise research done and dismissed Samizdat as "an unhelpful distraction from what matters most—providing the best technology for our customers" which is a very typical Microsoft deflection.

Later in 2004 Microsoft began another FUD campaign against Linux known as Get the Facts a dedicated website which purported to tell you the truth about Windows Server that those Linux users were hiding from you. They would use a vary similar tactic in the windows 7 era to attack Macs and in the browser wars to attack now IE browsers.

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By 2007 things seemed to be turning around. Microsoft shut down the Get the Facts website and entered into a partnership with Novell. Things seemed to be cooling down until Microsoft claimed various Linux FOSS projects violated 235 patents. Conveniently Novell and its customers would be immune to any legal action related to this, hinting that Microsoft may try to threaten every single Linux user like SCO Group did. Novell seemed blindsided by this claim and denied any validity to Microsofts accusations of patent infringement. FOSS advocates called Microsoft's bluff and demanded Microsoft turn over the patents which were violated and then nothing more happened.

By 2014 Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer stepped down which seemed to usher in a new era for Linux at Microsoft. By 2015 Microsoft was putting out press released saying "Microsoft loves linux". As Microsoft moved into the cloud Azure began supporting Linux to appeal to a broader customer base. By 2016 every version of Windows contained Linux built in via windows subsystem Linux and many have noted Windows adopting more Linux like attributes like a package manager in winget, taking ques from OSX and KDE desktop environments , and is even working on adding Sudo to Windows. Microsoft also began massively funding the Linux foundation and the open software foundation. On the open source end Microsoft has made various projects of theirs open source and has become one of the biggest contributors to github projects.

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To some this represents a positive change. Now with a change of leader and a focus on SAAS Microsoft no longer needs the mafia or cold war tactics of the OS wars I mean who cares if you use Windows, most people get it for free* anyway, or Linux if either way you are logging into a web app like Office 360 or Azure or One drive. Now they can play nice with Linux and OSS. More astute people may notice that Microsoft only loves the parts of Linux which benefit them. In the server space Linux is king so for Azure to actually be a viable cloud server it would need Linux support. Developers are increasingly moving to Mac and Linux for coding as the programming environment is faster, less bloated, and more POSIX, so WSL keeps these users on Windows by offering a Bash terminal within Windows. Microsoft loves open source software which let them take other code for free and they like other people doing free work for them maintaining their own projects.

Even more astute readers may note this sounds exactly like the Embrace part of EEE. We are already seeing Microsoft Extend some open source offerings too. They Embraced the open source Git and are now Extended it with proprietary elements like code spaces and copilot in Github. They have Embraced open source in Visual Studio Code and are Extending it with the proprietary extensions store which makes VSC actually usable as an IDE. It likely wont be long until Microsoft starts extending their Linux offerings too. Who knows maybe they may even try to buy out Canonical or Red Hat, both have already tried their own EEE schemes with Snap and CentOS Stream respectively, and then force them to turn Linux from a competitor to Windows to just one more cog within the windows environment itself.

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Oh yeah on the SCO Group thing Xinuos, the now owners of SCO group, launched another lawsuit against Red Hat and IBM alledging IBM stole code from SCO's UNIXes for their own UNIX and conspired with Red Hat to lock SCO out of the market. This as far as I can tell has gone no where.

!fosstards !linuxchads !codecels !effortposters What are your thoughts on Microsoft's new "love" of Linux?

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There is an ongoing power struggle over who controls NixOS. This is a story of politics, pointless argument, thousands of wasted man-hours, corrupt jannies, and a coup d'état. The primary factions are one of :marseytrain: :marseyfurry:, leftoids, and :marseyfurry2: otherkin, and a faction of neurodivergents, libertarians :marseyatlasshrugged:, and rightoids unified against idpol.

If you don't care about historical details, skip to the section "Assembling the Constitutional Assembly"

Previous Threads

:capytranswitch: attempts takeover of Nix project

:marseytrain2: compares the fall of the NixOS drama to Evangelion :marseyeva: and references Star Trek because they didn't janny wrongthink right :marseydemopped: :marseychefkiss:

Historical Timeline of Key Events
2003
  • Eelco Dolstra creates Nix, a novel package manager, and NixOS, a Linux Distribution.
2023
  • Anduril, an American defense contractor, sponsored NixCon

  • Various leftoids disliked that, and complained to the university it was hosted at. The university has a vaguely defined civil clause stating it studies exclusively "peaceful goals [to] serve civilian purposes"

  • Less than 48 hours before NixCon was to begin, the university threatened to shut down NixCon, unsure the sponsorship wouldn't violate their civil clause

  • Anduril was removed as a sponsor, and Anduril employees could not show Anduril logos or discuss their employer during their scheduled talks

2024
  • Anduril sponsored NixCon, this time hosted in Pasadena, California, which had no such clause

  • Various leftoids disliked that, and complained on GitHub and social media

  • NixCon went on as planned

After NixCon 2024

On the official forums, users argue over whether Anduril makes :marseydiversity: :marseytrans2: unsafe, and mods liberally ban people on the "pro-sponsorship" side.

One banned user created a GitHub page of the politically motivated mods

Note: Mods are not the Nix board, but much like reddit mods, are independent, self-selecting, and control the forums.

April 21, 2024 - The "Open Letter"

On April 21, 2024, an "open letter" was posted, accusing Eelco of making Nix vaguely unsafe for "marginalized backgrounds" and of "liking" posts the authors dislike. The letter has an :marseyairquotes: Executive Summary :marseyairquotes: that is 2 pages of solid text, arguing that Eelco's inaction on "concern trolling" and military sponsors constitutes a crisis he must step down over. Of interest, it also has the following paragraph:

Finally, we acknowledge that any changes in Eelco's role, even if prompted by clear misconduct, are going to be interpreted as a bunch of left wing people taking over the project. Although the authors' politics are left-leaning, this is not about Eelco's political views, it is about his actions, how they have shaped the Nix project culturally, and how his actions do not serve the project's interests. We realise how this interpretation will lead to significant moderation load due to the out-of-community brigading activities of certain banned community members, as well as internal community debate.

The letter was signed by 160 people, only 35 of which have contributed to nixpkgs.

On April 23, GitHub user "HelpMeTheShadowPeopleAreStealingMyStuff" :marseymadman: made a PR to add a CoC to the open letter, which was accepted.

May 1, 2024 - Eelco steps down

Eelco Dolstra announced his resignation from the Nix Foundation Board, stating the board will appoint a "Constitutional Assembly" to create a new governance structure.


May 2, 2024 - Assembling the Constitutional Assembly

The forum mods posted to GitHub inviting nixpkgs contributors to join a "Zulip" (like slack but worse) created for this process.

The Assembly Code of Conduct

The Zulip instance has a mod-created Code of Conduct that includes this laundry list of protected categories

These guidelines aim to support bootstrapping our governance structure, and as such all who can, should feel safe to participate regardless of background, family status, gender, gender identity :marseytrain2: and expression, marital status, s*x, sexual orientation :marseybutt:, plurality :marseymeds:, native language, age, race/ethnicity, nationality, socioeconomic status :marseynooticeglow:, geographic location, education, disability, otherkin status, or other aspects of diversity.

Otherkin are now a protected category! Personally, I think this is purely a bait wedge issue.

The section "Disruptive Behavior" has these examples:

  • Bad faith invitations to engage in debate, regardless of the pretense of civility.
  • Attempting to use the specific wording of rules documents without referencing or understanding their spirit.

No sweaty, your bad faith behavior is not allowed :marseybardfinn3:. Yes sweaty, we will ban you when we feel like it.

The Assembly Jannies

The CoC gives Zulip mods great leeway, so let's look into them.

The Nix forum mods are an independent group that recruits through unanimous agreement by all current mods. Several of them signed the open letter, and, in my experience, their ringleader is joepie.

On joepie's website, he boasts

I manipulate.

In case it hasn't become obvious to you yet, I am a social engineer. Full-time. 24/7. I use manipulation and other psychological tactics in nearly every conversation I have. I will try to change the way you think, and try to solve problems you might not even realize you had.

If you do want to know, just ask. But don't be surprised if my answer, at first, reads like made-up non-sense. Social engineering is very subtle.

The only way to counter manipulation through irrationality, is by manipulating people back into rationality. That is what I do. That is also why I will gladly tell you what I am doing to manipulate you. Manipulation for a good cause doesn't need to be hidden to be effective.

Elsewhere, on mastodon, moderator Raito celebrates the y'alling of the fascists

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On lobste.rs, moderator Hexa shared the open letter. The "Paradox of Tolerance" is brought up.

The Zulip discussions

Let's peek over to the Zulip discussion, shall we? I wonder what the very first topic they're considering is...

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Ah, 2 jannies and a :marseytrain: discussing whether 2/7 or 5/7 of assembly members should be "marginalized".

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After some arguments on technical ability, our resident catboy and resident leftoid agree, technical merit doesn't matter. The mods move dissent into a containment thread.

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Another mod also does not like merit. What was that saying? Something something, "those who can, do; those who can't, janny"?

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nat's favorite pastimes include calling people fascist and racist.

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Despite this, users on Zulip are split roughly 55/45 against/for quotas, as this pol.is report shows.

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Chris McDonough, by the way, has since declared the entire process an illegitimate and cynical power grab. He is also well-known for prominent contributions to Pyramid, a Python web framework.

One prominent Zulip user was Shea, who generally summarized major discussions and was the most prominent and well-spoken anti-quota participant.

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Aaaaand he's gone!

Shea has since written a blog post about this.

A Crisis of Legitimacy

To wrap this up, some final words on legitimacy.

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Several people have taken to the NixOS subreddit and to their personal blogs describing the entire process as illegitimate. They are largely correct. As of this forum post, the mods have gone ahead their original plan anyway.

They will have the board select an assembly of 3 long-standing contributors, 2 "marginalized" individuals, and 2 external "experts" who have been quoted as explicitly anti-meritocracy.

If you're keeping count of the votes, that's 4/3 against prominent Nix contributors, and in favor of whoever the board likes.

And that's the current state of this whole affair. The mods have chosen selectorate's composition, and final Assembly applications are being deliberated.

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EFFORTPOST Mr President :marseybush: a third scandal :marseyplanecrash: has hit the PC industry :longwhiskers: (Spoiler a woman ceo :marseyfoidretard: maybe responsible :marseyextinction: )

After the Artesian build drama, bring LTT to its knees, my boi Steve did some journ*lism again.

G*mersNexus = A small but very reliable hardware review channel on youtube - The presenter is Steve also called Tech Jesus because of apperance

LTT = Linus Tech Tips, biggest tech youtuber who got exposed as useless by G*mersNexus

Artesian Builds - Custom PC assembler company which was embroiled in a huge controversy last year Read about it here https://g*mersnexus.net/features/inside-collapse-artesian-builds-20000000-bankrupt

EKWB = EK Water Blocks - Custom PC water cooling parts company, makes pumps, blocks etc https://www.ekwb.com/

!g*mers !effortposters


TLDR

  • GN does expose of EKWB with information from whistleblower employees

  • GN Contacts as many people as they can, suppliers, ex-empl/contractors and gets info

  • Its all real, and vetted like a good journ*list

  • Hardware youtubers stop dropping EKWB while also airing their greviances (JayzTwoCents, derbauer)

  • EKWB CEO Does the BP Oil spill "We're Sorry" spiel

  • GN Digs deeper, more people come forward and spill the beans

  • Konig was the CEO until the :marseyfoidretard: took over as CEO in 2019

  • Foid CEO replace by Konig again, and thus the FOID is absolved of all Reponsibilities

  • GN Exposes a LITTANY of shady finances and other violations, law breaking activities and most importantly Racism (check screenshots below :marseyghostlaugh: )

  • ALL accusations are backed up by evidence

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This all started 10 days ago when Tech Jesus (g*mersnexus a PC hardware review channel) did an investigative report on EK waterblocks the company. EKWB is a super expensive liquid cooling parts company, they make a lot of custom water blocks

Part 1: EK is Imploding: Not Paying Employees, Partners, & Suppliers | Investigative Report

Summary

EK is facing financial difficulties, resulting in non-payment to employees, contractors, and suppliers. There are allegations of mismanagement and a lack of communication. The company's actions suggest insolvency or potential fraud.

Highlights
  • 01:15 💸 EK has a liquidity problem and is unable to pay employees, contractors, and suppliers.

  • 03:35 📜 There are allegations of financial mismanagement and a lack of communication from EK.

  • 08:45 🔍 EK's inventory management and purchasing practices contribute to its financial problems.

  • 12:10 🌍 EK's US and Slovenian branches have a hostile relationship, hindering the company's progress.

  • 17:30 🚫 EK has taken legal actions to silence critics and prevent the exposure of its financial issues.

  • 21:50 🏢 EK is considering selling one of its buildings to alleviate its debts.

  • 26:00 ⚖️ EK's actions may be considered fraudulent or indicative of insolvency.

Key Insights
  • 💸 The non-payment of employees and suppliers indicates severe financial problems within EK. This situation is unacceptable and may have legal consequences.

  • 📜 EK's lack of communication and attempts to silence critics suggest a disregard for the well-being of its employees and partners. This behavior is unethical and damaging to its reputation.

  • 🔍 EK's inventory management and purchasing practices have led to excessive inventory and a lack of liquidity. This mismanagement has further exacerbated the company's financial difficulties.

  • 🌍 The hostile relationship between EK's US and Slovenian branches highlights a deeper issue within the company's culture. This internal conflict hinders the company's ability to address its financial problems effectively.

  • 🚫 EK's legal actions to silence critics and prevent the exposure of its financial issues demonstrate a lack of transparency and accountability. This further damages its reputation and raises concerns about the company's integrity.

  • 🏢 EK's consideration of selling one of its buildings indicates a desperate attempt to generate cash and address its debts. This action may provide temporary relief, but it does not solve the underlying financial problems.

  • ⚖️ EK's actions may be indicative of fraudulent practices or insolvency. The company's future depends on its ability to rectify its financial issues, prioritize its employees and partners, and demonstrate genuine efforts to improve its operations.


Reactions to Part 1

Jayz2Cents #DropEkwb (He had a 6 Figure contract with EKWB Which they have not paid out yet :marseymerchant: )

  • 💰 EKWB is facing a financial crisis and has been unable to pay its employees, contractors, vendors, and partners. This has resulted in a lack of trust and frustration among those who have worked with the brand.

  • 📉 The author has experienced slow communication, lack of coordination, and quality issues with EKWB products. This has further contributed to their disappointment and dissatisfaction with the brand.

  • 🤝 The author emphasizes the importance of fulfilling agreements and treating partners with respect. EKWB's failure to do so has damaged their reputation and strained relationships with content creators and influencers.

  • 🔄 EKWB needs to reassess its product strategy and address the issues that have led to the company's financial crisis. This may involve making changes to their product catalog, improving quality control, and focusing on transparency and communication.

  • 💼 The author suggests that EKWB may need to consider selling the company in order to regain trust and stability. This would require a change in leadership and a fresh start for the brand.

  • 🕑 The author highlights the urgency of paying employees and prioritizing their financial well-being. This should be the first step in resolving the current crisis and rebuilding trust within the company.

  • 🚀 The author believes that EKWB can recover from this situation if they take appropriate actions and demonstrate a commitment to their employees, partners, and customers. However, it will require significant effort and a change in approach.

derbauer #DropEkwb (Key takeaway : EKWB has 11% failure/return rate :marseyxd: )

  • 1️⃣ EK's direct die cooler had manufacturing tolerance issues, leading to compatibility problems for customers.

  • 2️⃣ The narrator values their employees and has high moral standards, which influenced their decision to end cooperation with EK.

  • 3️⃣ The narrator differentiated between company and staff issues, only commenting on the latter.

  • 4️⃣ No money was owed to the narrator from EK, as their cooperation did not involve financial compensation.

  • 5️⃣ Allowing EK to sell remaining products with the narrator's logo avoids additional costs and potential delays.

  • 6️⃣ The narrator's decision to end cooperation is based on the evidence presented by G*mers Nexus, which is just the tip of the iceberg.

  • 7️⃣ The narrator remains open to future discussions with EK depending on their actions and industry developments.

Official Statement by EK Founder and CEO Edvard König (Key take away Is this guy a gay twink?? :marseythinkorino: and also the standard "we're sorry"

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Key Insights
  • 💰 Apologizing for delayed payments and lack of communication shows accountability and acknowledges the impact on external contractors and partners.

  • 📝 Implementation of key actions, such as improved communication and transparency, demonstrates a proactive approach to addressing issues within the company.

  • 📧 Introducing a dedicated email address for claims indicates a commitment to resolving outstanding overtime work issues and ensuring fairness for employees.

  • ⌛️ Appreciating the community's patience and commitment helps to maintain trust and foster a positive relationship with customers and partners.

  • 🌍 Emphasizing the mission to elevate computers for a better world highlights the company's long-term vision and dedication to their core values.

  • 🤝 Commitment to making things right and fostering a responsible company culture reassures stakeholders that steps are being taken to rectify the situation and prevent similar issues in the future.


Part 2 : Exposing Corruption: EK's Prison Threats, Lawsuits, Dangerous Workplace, & Leaked Documents

Talks about the all the scummy shit they have done.. so far.... which includes RAYCISM :marseypearlclutch:

Its one HOUR LONG you better WATCH IT ALL IF YOU VALUE JOURN*LISM!

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Summary

EK Water Blocks is embroiled in controversy surrounding its finances, treatment of partners and staff, and leaked documents. The company is accused of sending intimidating letters, facing lawsuits, and engaging in dangerous workplace practices. Concerns have been raised about the personal liability of EK's CEOs, officers, managers, and directors. Unsafe working conditions, OSHA violations, and racist internal communications have also been reported.

Key Highlights
  • [1] 💣 The intimidating demand letter sent by EK's CEO raises concerns about the company's tactics to silence and intimidate former employees, highlighting a potential abuse of power.

  • [2] 💥 The lawsuits filed by former EK staff shed light on the company's breach of contract and non-payment issues, indicating a pattern of mistreatment and disregard for employees' rights.

  • [3] 🌍 The extensive investigation involving experts from various fields and the substantial cost of producing the video underscores the seriousness of the allegations against EK and the need for transparency and accountability.

  • [4] 🏢 The potential personal liability of EK's CEOs and officers, as well as the complex web of international entities, raises questions about the company's corporate structure and the extent of control and responsibility of its top executives.

  • [5] 🌐 EK's tax forfeiture status in Texas and the potential personal liability of CEOs and officers in such situations highlight the importance of complying with legal obligations and maintaining good standing to protect the interests of both the company and its stakeholders.

  • [6] 📜 The involvement of EK's CEO and officers in questionable practices, as well as the potential co-mingling of assets, suggest a lack of ethical business conduct and the need for comprehensive legal scrutiny to ensure accountability and fair treatment of employees and partners.

  • [7] 🤝 The offer of assistance to former EK employees by Star Forge Systems CEO Nick Dankner demonstrates the importance of supporting and helping individuals impacted by the company's actions, fostering a sense of solidarity within the industry.

No reactions from any notable figures as they all already dropped EKWB


Now lets get on Reddit

Part 2 Thread: The chuds at PC gaming are obviously shocked https://old.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/1cfekfn/g*mers_nexus_exposing_corruption_eks_prison/

Sane threads on /r/hardware

Part 1 : https://old.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1c8psy1/ek_is_imploding_not_paying_employees_partners/

Part 2 : https://old.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1cfef4s/exposing_corruption_eks_prison_threats_lawsuits/

Part 1 thread: Watercooling Jannie :marseyjanny2: https://old.reddit.com/r/watercooling/comments/1c8q0im/g*mers_nexus_ek_is_imploding_not_paying_employees/

I left this open because there's simply no way of not looking suspicious otherwise.

However, as usual, the comments and general lack of knowledge astound me. Heck, I'm surprised at the shear quantity of scathing comments regarding the pricing. Competition exists, just buy a cheaper brand? Watercool is always cheaper and the quality is solid, why just hate on a brand for no reason if you have no intention of buying their product anyway? Either way, regardless of the outcome of all this, very disappointing news, and very disappointing seeing what this sub can be like.

Part 2 Thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/watercooling/comments/1cfeoyg/exposing_corruption_eks_prison_threats_lawsuits/

Now the :marseyjanny: falls in line

This kind of scandal NEVER ends well in communities as small as these. Larger companies can get away with this kind of shit because most people don't know/care. Spaces as small as watercooling? Word gets around fast because almost everyone is keeping an eye/ear out. A different scandal happened in the home theater space where Lexicon got caught taking cheap products from other companies and slapping their own label on them without changing anything (except the price by a factor of 10x), ruined their reputation permanently and now the brand is essentially dead weight in Harman's lineup. Didn't matter that they had made some of the finest home theater equipment in the past, the brand's reputation was effectively ruined. With the half-assed apology and the fact that EK has already been slipping in terms of quality over the years, I can't see them coming back from this. Will they still be around? Perhaps, but I don't think they'll be nearly as big as they once were in the industry after this and there's no way that whatever crawls out of the ashes is going to be able to offer anything even remotely close to their current catalog. They'll have their loyalists I'm sure but there's no way they'll be able to maintain the brand as it stands.

Now do ya'll remember the LTT Expose he did? yeah the LTTcels haven't stopped coping seething and dilating about it

:#marseycopeseethedilate:

Parth 1 Thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/1c95hpq/ek_is_imploding_not_paying_employees_partners/

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:#marseyhesright:

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Part 2 Thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/1cfet1l/exposing_corruption_eks_prison_threats_lawsuits/

Kinda disappointing that Linus downplayed this whole situation a bit on the latest WAN Show saying that he likes the product and the company should just do better.

I mean what's wrong with that? Their management being shitty doesn't change the fact that they do have good products and they should do better :marseyseethe:

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There is so much seethe on the LTT forums but I think the jannies are active there and :pepejannie: it up


Now lets come to the :marseyfoidretard: CEO who MAYBE responsible

Click here for the timestamped vid

Listen just to this segment if you want to see how she was involved

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  • Joined 2019, thats when it started going downhill :marseystocksdown:

  • visits office once a month

  • take lavish trips on private jets using company money to visit hardware expos (all pictures on her Instagram)

  • has 20 years of experience :surejan:

  • Has caused legal issues, employee issues

  • IS REPLACED BY OLD CEO (That STRAGGY GUY Above)

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ESCAPES RESPONSIBILITY AS USUAL

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