Women take another L; Most (92%) want kids (avg 2.4) but are allowing men to change their opinion on the matter. 
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Mythbusting “Voluntary” Childlessness
— The Last Social Democrat 🥀 (@LWPopulism) November 12, 2023
- 92% of Gen Z women want kids
- 80% of childlessness is involuntary
- Economics = main cause of childlessness, even for childsceptic women
- 72% of women deem motherhood socially undervalued
- More women want 4+ kids than none at all pic.twitter.com/b5jWykR9Bx
I'm "child-free" because I want to save the environment and
I can't imagine bringing a child into a world like this
and I just want to drink wine and go to night clubs and eat pizza. 
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At this point I'm pretty sure there are polls saying every variation of every belief in the world enjoys majority support in both directions for every demographic and when I see phrases like polls show X Y it just mentally drains me to the point where even typing this explanation of it is exhaustinf
The media loved to jerk themselves off with the term “post-truth age/era” during the Trump administration but they were completely right about it, just for all the wrong reasons.
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I think it boils down to that, maybe some of it is unreasonable (sometimes when I talk to people it seems like they wouldn't want children unless living an upper-middle class lifestyle), but housing really is fricked for younger generations and the job market is too, with AI playing a bigger factor we will see how it impacts white-collar jobs, not necessarly SWE, but things like accounting, non-high finance, marketing or just general non-specialized excel/word/pp jokey jobs.
I'm really worried we will see another industrial revolution where wages stagnated for a century, but this time with a fricked housing market, because boomers and +40 year old people will be holding onto those houses for another 2 generations. Sort of what SK and Japan speedran.
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Meanwhile, while you were writing this post:
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I think this is largely true, and largely because there's an unwritten social expectation these days that parents will spend a metric FRICKTON on daycare/childcare/etc. Letting kids play outside is... LE DANGEROUS and and if you're not giving your kids the absolute best (as in paying private school tuition for daycare) you don't really care about them
Current hyperfixation:
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Letting kids play outside in poor neighborhoods IS dangerous you deranged contrarian peepee pepper, and not sending your kids to private schools will increase the chances that your grandchildren will be poor too. Those are valid concerns
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I'm talking about dropping $20 grand a year so that your kid can go to Professor McPretentious' Development Center for Super Extra Gifted Children (Ages 0-4) instead of something run by a church that's practically free, not sending them to private schools once they're actually school-aged
Are you agreeing that the reason people aren't having kids is because they're expected to spend money on them that they don't have?
Current hyperfixation:
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The issue is that when faced with a $100k lifestyle or kids, people choose the $100k lifestyle. People prefer money and optionality, with the justification that they can always (date/marry/have kids) later
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The replication crisis is going to cause science to fracture into separate sects, they'll each have their own canon and compete for the mantle of science.
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We even have a science pope
:marseyfauci:
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Science pope would be a good idea.
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Bill Nye, black science man, and Fauci as the college of cardinals
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Good thing medical science isn't rife with plagiarism and fraud either
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This already has happened. I am a scientist, specifically I study cancer immunology specializing in metabolism, and there is extremely conflicting literature to the point that major thought leaders basically just have things they believe to be true in the field and amass reviews/literature that support their paradigm. Only thing that is meaningful at all at this point is clinical viability. As one of my general examiners said, "you might be able to sneak that past the nature reviewers but you won't be able to sneak it past the human body."
Cannot imagine what it is like in softer sciences.
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BRING BACK AETHER WAVE THEORY
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I'm so happy in the Congocarpathianflorist 10mo ago #5376073 spent 0 currency on pingsPeople don't have kids for economic reasons. That perfectly explains why rich countries have the lowest birthrate.
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Poor countries = let kids run around on the street all day long like normal people, maybe once they're 14 or so put them to work
Rich countries = oh no my precious baby might have something go wrong if I let them go any further than 20 feet away from the house without NSA-tier surveillance on what they are doing every single second, both parents should be stable career professionals making six figures before even considering having a child.
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They should lock every teenager in a chastity belt that only unlocks once they've completed their masters degree.
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This!!!! Puberty blockers for all children until they can prove that they can't earn enough to support a child
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Poorcels are already poor. If they have a kid they become a small fraction more poor. Everyone else around is poor too, so it isn't embarrassing to have a flock of poorcel kids. The middle classcel however looks down on the poorcel. If middle classcels have a kid they could potentially become poor. There's nothing more scary to middle classcels than turning themselves or their potential children into poorcels (VALID!).
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Poorcels need some kids to bring in that cheddar
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"Rich countries" = expensive countries. So, yes.
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I'm so happy in the CongoJimieWhales 10mo ago #5395421 spent 0 currency on pingsJump in the discussion.
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Schizo sees his own name everywhere
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Um no the one I like is the truth clearly
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Trust the science chud.
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There
is a Library of Babel of polls asking every conceivable question 
and answering every possible way.
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