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i watched "beyond fantasy" on youtube yesterday, and as an 18 year old girl, i am now even more terrified men and am unable to calm down my anxieties about the future of dating

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so, this is a cry for help from me to be honest, because i have no female role models or women older than me to confide in and get advice.

recently, these past few days, i've been going down the rabbithole of how harmful porn, but most importantly "mainstream" porn is (the stuff that is on the front page of pornhub when you don't have an account with a curated feed), which is becoming more and more extreme, misogynistic, a power fantasy and in a survey, it was determined that up to 45% of porn videos contain acts of violence against women.

i've also read a very worrying article about how choking is becoming "vanilla" now, and an act that isn't even discussed beforehand (a huge surge of men in college just choke their partners without consent because of how normalised it is). and i have seen various ways being "vanilla" is used as a way to insult and shame women.

i have a pretty nuanced point of view, by which i mean that porn and porn production that actively abuses, r*pes, manipulates, drugs and exploits women is not in the same boat as women drawing manga for women and selling them, and professional voice actors selling audio CDs. i'm posting here, because i don't want a debate right now, i want a way to cope.

back to my point: i am an 18 year old girl, and part of one of the first generations to grow up with what i'll call "as soon as you hit 13, almost everyone has seen porn". the first time i saw porn, was when i was 11, and googled it because we were warned about it in s*x ed. i didn't really become a girl that watches a lot of porn, but i'd seen it, and masturbated to it before. i'd started masturbating when i was 8.

later, when i became a fan of BTS, i started reading wattpad fanfiction. and watching what was called "21+ imagines" on youtube. after a while, i realised that i didn't really like them as much as i thought, because the popularised daddy/babygirl, male dominance, "punishment" stuff was not my cup of tea. it's through yaoi and BL manga, that i was truly able to discover what sexually aroused me, and what didn't, due to the simple absence of a woman to objectify. now you might call me an evil fetishizer for reading yaoi and BL, but again, please, i'm not looking for a debate, but for possibly advice and help for my feelings. i also discovered otome content a year later.

a few years ago, i started watching irl porn from time to time, which was mostly solo male stuff because couple's porn disgusted me, and turned me off immediately, because of the clearly male gazey shots. but most importantly: the violence, degradation, spitting, slapping women's vulva, and those horrid titles implying incest, barely legal, forced, and all those degrading ways to describe women's reproductive systems, and women themselves. because i only watch solo male videos, my feed is only male focused, when i do open up pornhub. but i always saw the "popular in your region" underneath my feed, where i saw all these horrifying things, whether i wanted it or not.

my brother and father make porny jokes around me all the time, and it honestly makes me uncomfortable to hear "haha put your spermidium in this sauce for some extra protein and rejuvenation" every second sentence. my father was always what i call "too open" about s*x with his children. he is determined of not making it a taboo, but he went too far. i know he likes anally fricking women, that he bought a sounding device for himself, that he downloads porn, caught him masturbating thrice, etc.

now i've watched "beyond fantasy", a documentary about porn. and yesterday, i cried when finishing episode 3. maybe i feel even more pain because of my own history with (non-sexual) child abuse, but still. no matter how you look at it, it's horrible.

and i know for a fact, all men my age watch porn. almost all of them. enough of them, that making porny jokes infront of your own daughter is okay. enough, that porn has become this normal thing that every man and teen uses. and porn isn't what it used to be.

i read a comment from someone that used to be in the porn industry back in the day, and she said something along the lines of "back then, anal was the most non-normal thing in porn, the most extreme. today it's become this mandatory part of porn".

i can't get what i saw in this documentary out of my head. it's like the ceiling came crashing down on me. will this be the reality of dating? will i be called a prude for disliking mainstream porn? will i have to sift through endless amounts of men that watch extreme porn, to find someone to love me? will porn continue to literally detroy women's bodies, and drive them to suicide?

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Being real here, is it weird to find choking/abuse to be a major turn off as a dude?

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Nah, if I want to show a woman strength during s*x I just pick her up and frick her in the air or some other weird acrobatics. Hitting women is weird.

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:tayshrug: I don't think so. I've never been with a dude who was really into it (or at least not that admitted it to me) but I'm also :marseyarsey: and with a handful of exceptions I assume the men I've slept with grew up jerking it to scrambled cable porn not whatever is breaking zoomers' brains.

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In dude spaces it's generally seen as an annoying thing you have to do because your girlfriend wants it. I think a guy who's actually into choking is weird but I bet a lot of insecure zoomers are doing it on the assumption all women want it.

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This has been my experience too. I don't really mind the whole rough and degrading s*x stuff, but I'd be more than happy to never do it again too.

Having to find the sweet spot of choking hard enough to get her off and soft enough that she doesn't have a half red eye for the next week is much more tedious than it is sexy.

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Idk, light choking is pretty hot :marseynut:

but I'm not going further than that, ain't no way I'm putting myself in a situation where there's a non-zero chance I may have to call an ambulance for my unconscious, naked gf (or worse, ONS) and have to explain that I didn't just date r*pe the girl or whatever :marseycringe:

actually would have to be a 'tard to not add that to the choking-calculus :marseyshapiro:

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Women be like uwu choke me daddy but then pass out during a naked rear choke :marseydisagreefast: make up your mind

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Normal men should not be into it. It's a fetish for misogynists and female coomers.

Male strength is attractive to women, and you need to be comfortable expressing strength, but there are much better ways to do so.

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Real misogynists aren't into it because it's free blackmail material and because it's pleasurable for foids

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/17107788719895487.webp

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No. A lot of it is requested by women.

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Just means ur a low T beta and should transition immediately

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No it's normal

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No that's normal. It's always felt like weird roleplay that takes me out of the moment when I've done it so I just don't do it anymore.

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Not weird, but choking can be very different from general abuse and degradation. She could be really into it because of liking domination/being overpowered stuff and she trusts you to be in control to not cause pain or damage. She also could be into it because it heightens her orgasm. Both of these could be a turn on without it being weird. Abuse means she's not into it and equals total turn off, agreed.

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:marseyno: Choking

:marseyyes: Breath control

Same but different.

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It's a pain in the butt.

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U gay

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I have actually had irl experience with a chick who was into that shit.

She wanted me to hit her.

I unironically took my stuff left and blocked her number

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