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i watched "beyond fantasy" on youtube yesterday, and as an 18 year old girl, i am now even more terrified men and am unable to calm down my anxieties about the future of dating

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so, this is a cry for help from me to be honest, because i have no female role models or women older than me to confide in and get advice.

recently, these past few days, i've been going down the rabbithole of how harmful porn, but most importantly "mainstream" porn is (the stuff that is on the front page of pornhub when you don't have an account with a curated feed), which is becoming more and more extreme, misogynistic, a power fantasy and in a survey, it was determined that up to 45% of porn videos contain acts of violence against women.

i've also read a very worrying article about how choking is becoming "vanilla" now, and an act that isn't even discussed beforehand (a huge surge of men in college just choke their partners without consent because of how normalised it is). and i have seen various ways being "vanilla" is used as a way to insult and shame women.

i have a pretty nuanced point of view, by which i mean that porn and porn production that actively abuses, r*pes, manipulates, drugs and exploits women is not in the same boat as women drawing manga for women and selling them, and professional voice actors selling audio CDs. i'm posting here, because i don't want a debate right now, i want a way to cope.

back to my point: i am an 18 year old girl, and part of one of the first generations to grow up with what i'll call "as soon as you hit 13, almost everyone has seen porn". the first time i saw porn, was when i was 11, and googled it because we were warned about it in s*x ed. i didn't really become a girl that watches a lot of porn, but i'd seen it, and masturbated to it before. i'd started masturbating when i was 8.

later, when i became a fan of BTS, i started reading wattpad fanfiction. and watching what was called "21+ imagines" on youtube. after a while, i realised that i didn't really like them as much as i thought, because the popularised daddy/babygirl, male dominance, "punishment" stuff was not my cup of tea. it's through yaoi and BL manga, that i was truly able to discover what sexually aroused me, and what didn't, due to the simple absence of a woman to objectify. now you might call me an evil fetishizer for reading yaoi and BL, but again, please, i'm not looking for a debate, but for possibly advice and help for my feelings. i also discovered otome content a year later.

a few years ago, i started watching irl porn from time to time, which was mostly solo male stuff because couple's porn disgusted me, and turned me off immediately, because of the clearly male gazey shots. but most importantly: the violence, degradation, spitting, slapping women's vulva, and those horrid titles implying incest, barely legal, forced, and all those degrading ways to describe women's reproductive systems, and women themselves. because i only watch solo male videos, my feed is only male focused, when i do open up pornhub. but i always saw the "popular in your region" underneath my feed, where i saw all these horrifying things, whether i wanted it or not.

my brother and father make porny jokes around me all the time, and it honestly makes me uncomfortable to hear "haha put your spermidium in this sauce for some extra protein and rejuvenation" every second sentence. my father was always what i call "too open" about s*x with his children. he is determined of not making it a taboo, but he went too far. i know he likes anally fricking women, that he bought a sounding device for himself, that he downloads porn, caught him masturbating thrice, etc.

now i've watched "beyond fantasy", a documentary about porn. and yesterday, i cried when finishing episode 3. maybe i feel even more pain because of my own history with (non-sexual) child abuse, but still. no matter how you look at it, it's horrible.

and i know for a fact, all men my age watch porn. almost all of them. enough of them, that making porny jokes infront of your own daughter is okay. enough, that porn has become this normal thing that every man and teen uses. and porn isn't what it used to be.

i read a comment from someone that used to be in the porn industry back in the day, and she said something along the lines of "back then, anal was the most non-normal thing in porn, the most extreme. today it's become this mandatory part of porn".

i can't get what i saw in this documentary out of my head. it's like the ceiling came crashing down on me. will this be the reality of dating? will i be called a prude for disliking mainstream porn? will i have to sift through endless amounts of men that watch extreme porn, to find someone to love me? will porn continue to literally detroy women's bodies, and drive them to suicide?

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my father was always what i call "too open" about s*x with his children. he is determined of not making it a taboo, but he went too far. i know he likes anally fricking women, that he bought a sounding device for himself, that he downloads porn, caught him masturbating thrice, etc.

>...and here's how we put the sounding stick into daddy's urethra. Don't tell the school therapist, but remember to tell everyone on the internet about it. That's my babby girl!

:#doomdadtalking:

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>my brother and father make porny jokes around me all the time, and it honestly makes me uncomfortable to hear "haha put your spermidium in this sauce for some extra protein and rejuvenation" every second sentence.

:marseycoomer2#talking: :marseycoomertalkin#g:

Imagine growing up with this level of redditors, lmao.


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Highkey hope this is :marseybreadcrumbing: but it has the unsettling ring of truth to it. The Wattpad stuff checks out, and "spermidium" is such an oddly specific drop.

It's either very well-written coomer fanfic (better than I could do, and I'm a subject matter expert on internet weirdos) or some poor girl is going to redditors for help with the redditors in her house. :soysnoo5:

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It's either very well-written coomer fanfic (better than I could do

Please try anyway

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alright that's all I needed to see to know a man wrote this while jerking off

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...maybe. :marseyhope:

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No, Marsey! That's not hopium! That's plutonium!!

:marseyeyelidpulling:

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Love me plutonium :#marseyheinzbeans:

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:#marseything: simple as

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:#marseybreastcancer:

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>alright that's all I needed to see to know a man wrote this while jerking off

I think everyone here can relate

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Like non-sexual comments couldn't be written while jerking off :marseydisconcerting:

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Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.

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:marseyjerkoffsmiletalking:

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:#marseydaddypleaseloveme:

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And my axe!

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I need to cut that tree down, but I need an axe.

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You're a fricking :marseytom: idiot.

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I can't believe I fricked that up.

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Luckily a brave redditor is here to remind her that it's okay if her dad is telling her about his anal sexploits, because the ones against it are Christcucks. :marseyorthodoxsmug:

You have very valid concerns, however I just want to alert you to the fact that "Beyond Fantasy" is made by an extremist Christian organization Exodus Cry. I have not seen the movie, but it clearly has a strong bias and I would not take the information it presents at face value. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_Cry

Maybe I grew up in a weird place, I used to go-to my friends house almost everyday until I was 9 because his 6 yo sister had her brother hold me down while she kissed me because I wouldn't watch her moms porno with her. When I told my dad what happened he called the police and they did an investigation on the mom (his dad had died years prior) but my dad said they didn't find any abuse towards the girl, but I wasn't allowed back over.

I still think about that occasionally and just hope that she wasn't being abused :(

...what, neighbor?

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I'm not Christian, and the film was very good, maybe watch it and be mindful of your bias. The film should be watched and comments like these will just stop people from watching a really good film

I'll tell you my bias right now. I am a trans woman. My very existence is relentlessly targeted by misogynostic and anti-LGBT propaganda, which is often hidden behind less objectionable content like this.

AGP upset their that their beloved porn is being attacked. How surprising.

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Her mom just has her porno tapes lying around for her kids to watch?

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remember /r/sexpositivehomes

the sub may be banned but the redditors are still out there

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Free love freaks

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the ones against it are Christcucks

Well they're double wrong, bc the poophole loophole is the legacy meta for many parochial schoolers to lose their virginity before graduating

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i didn't really become a girl that watches a lot of porn, but i'd seen it, and masturbated to it before. i'd started masturbating when i was 8.

jesus even the foids are pornbrained

zoomers are fricked

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:marseyinsurgent: Many of them will die when the burger wars begin Inshallah

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I'm pretty sure it's the zoomettes driving all this shit. Dudes have been consuming porn for millenia. Shit going off the rails sure seems to coincide with increased porn watching from women, who all seem to think it's an accurate representation of what dudes want.

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Am I supposed to be sad that anal and choking are becoming more normal? Boohoo, now I have to frick her in the butt after I eat it, oh no! :soycry: :marseyeyeroll:

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And they're doing a lot of (self-)fricking :marseycoomer2:

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>it's through yaoi and BL manga, that i was truly able to discover what sexually aroused me, and what didn't, due to the simple absence of a woman to objectify.

lol fujo

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Ah. So she gets off on degrading men by immasculating them

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all fun and games until you :marseytrain2: out and start posting on r slash ftmpunished

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@fujoshi, we've got a live one!

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>my father was always what i call "too open" about s*x with his children. he is determined of not making it a taboo, but he went too far. i know he likes anally fricking women, that he bought a sounding device for himself, that he downloads porn, caught him masturbating thrice, etc.

:#darkwhy:

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I don't even know what a sounding device is.

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:#marseycockvore: :!#marseypin2:

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It's a weighted rope used to find the depth of water beneath your ship's hull.

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So many people wish they could say the same.

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:#marseyjamming: it's like an ipod or a walkman or a zune

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One of the most understated problems with society is that men and women tend to filter into gender-based echo chambers and get bombarded with the thoughts of extremely online losers who hate the opposite s*x. The OP of this reddit post needs to touch grass and talk to some men IRL

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She's totally right, she should be afraid of and hate men (yes, all men)

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Even George Floyd?

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Let us remember that george floyd was also victim of the porn industry

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Especially George Floyd.

:marseyagree:

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:#marseycantsneedgenocide:

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Can't keep a lion out of the fight for long 💪🏿

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Yeah keep psychos like this away from everyone tbh. Stay away loonie.

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in a survey, it was determined that up to 45% of porn videos contain acts of violence against women

:marseyxd:

i have a pretty nuanced point of view, by which i mean that porn and porn production that actively abuses, r*pes, manipulates, drugs and exploits women is not in the same boat as women drawing manga for women and selling them, and professional voice actors selling audio CDs.

Lol so she is a hentai coomer

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>your porn bad, my porn good

:marseywingcuck:

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Yes, no women involved = ethical (all heterosexual s*x is r*pe)

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audio CDs

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Being real here, is it weird to find choking/abuse to be a major turn off as a dude?

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:tayshrug: I don't think so. I've never been with a dude who was really into it (or at least not that admitted it to me) but I'm also :marseyarsey: and with a handful of exceptions I assume the men I've slept with grew up jerking it to scrambled cable porn not whatever is breaking zoomers' brains.

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In dude spaces it's generally seen as an annoying thing you have to do because your girlfriend wants it. I think a guy who's actually into choking is weird but I bet a lot of insecure zoomers are doing it on the assumption all women want it.

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This has been my experience too. I don't really mind the whole rough and degrading s*x stuff, but I'd be more than happy to never do it again too.

Having to find the sweet spot of choking hard enough to get her off and soft enough that she doesn't have a half red eye for the next week is much more tedious than it is sexy.

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Idk, light choking is pretty hot :marseynut:

but I'm not going further than that, ain't no way I'm putting myself in a situation where there's a non-zero chance I may have to call an ambulance for my unconscious, naked gf (or worse, ONS) and have to explain that I didn't just date r*pe the girl or whatever :marseycringe:

actually would have to be a 'tard to not add that to the choking-calculus :marseyshapiro:

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Women be like uwu choke me daddy but then pass out during a naked rear choke :marseydisagreefast: make up your mind

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Normal men should not be into it. It's a fetish for misogynists and female coomers.

Male strength is attractive to women, and you need to be comfortable expressing strength, but there are much better ways to do so.

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Real misogynists aren't into it because it's free blackmail material and because it's pleasurable for foids

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No. A lot of it is requested by women.

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Just means ur a low T beta and should transition immediately

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No it's normal

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No that's normal. It's always felt like weird roleplay that takes me out of the moment when I've done it so I just don't do it anymore.

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Not weird, but choking can be very different from general abuse and degradation. She could be really into it because of liking domination/being overpowered stuff and she trusts you to be in control to not cause pain or damage. She also could be into it because it heightens her orgasm. Both of these could be a turn on without it being weird. Abuse means she's not into it and equals total turn off, agreed.

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Nah, if I want to show a woman strength during s*x I just pick her up and frick her in the air or some other weird acrobatics. Hitting women is weird.

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:marseyno: Choking

:marseyyes: Breath control

Same but different.

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It's a pain in the butt.

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U gay

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I have actually had irl experience with a chick who was into that shit.

She wanted me to hit her.

I unironically took my stuff left and blocked her number

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I had a conversation with a former millennial hookup about weird gen z s*x shit. We discussed eating butt, and we were shocked and amused at the notion that it was a real thing that people actually did. We concluded that it must be a joke.

I then had the same conversation a former gen z hookup, and she was shocked and amused at the notion that I thought it was a joke.

!zoomers explain yourselves what is wrong with you? Some holes were not meant to connect.

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Ur ran thru https://i.rdrama.net/images/17133969246312258.webp

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I did the running ☺️

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a ran thru man whore r-slur she had the clap but when u tested it was negative good shit cuh but god darn ur ran through m8

zoomer

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Gross sluts are gross

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They fell for wannabe hood BIPOCs who talk about eating butt and eating out girls.

:marseyali: pain will befall the zoomfidel

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Kill yt

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You're overestimating how dirty butt is. If you're healthy and clean, there should be no :crap:

It's only smellz

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