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White mastodon devs and users wouldn't listen to black mastodon users, so the POC community has forked mastodon. :marseymayo: :marseyautism: :marseykente:

https://lemmygrad.ml/post/5257349

This is a post by the lemmygrad user, ExotiqueMatter, to /c/genzedong


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What I got out of this is that they have a really cool emoji over there, I've never seen lemmygrad emojis b4 :leexcited:

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The hexbear crosspost has more comments:

https://lemmygrad.ml/post/5257351

This whole saga (and my own personal experience in another FOSS project this past year) has really punctuated that FOSS conceived as an exercise in collective ownership is a lie. Instead of large companies, FOSS is ruled by a collection of petty tyrants clinging to ownership of release channels. The release channel is the thing in FOSS. Arbitrating what gets distributed through a release channel is what gives people clout & power in the FOSS world, and these are - almost universally - not democratically controlled. Whenever people criticize a project, they are usually given one of two replies:

Fork it

Pull requests welcome

#1 is barely worth addressing, it's equivalent to telling someone to go frick themselves or "if you don't like it, leave". PRs are much more malicious because it's just leading people on. Getting them to waste their time doing a bunch of work that the tyrant always intended to throw away in retribution. I contribute to a project where, when I'm writing a feature, the thing at the top of my mind is "how can I build a pseudo-legal case why this should be merged" instead of "how can I make this change safely on a technical level". Because access to the project is gated by a mercurial tyrant. I only persist because the project is amazing and if I don't deal with this man (and it is almost always men) other people will continue to be driven away by him.

At this point I am verging on changing my definition of "FOSS project" to require democratic governance

How can this issue be mitigated? The current system of a (usually not so) benevolent dictator(s) is the model for all FOSS projects I know of, lemmy included. As you've touched on, this is not at all democratic. However, I don't know if there are any version control hosting platforms (gitea, forgejo, etc.) that work without the code being held in the iron fist of an authoritarian code monkey. Then there is the issue of who should be allowed to contribute; there needs to be a way of keeping out people who contribute malware, or from taking so much control that they themselves become a code tyrant without a king code monkey to spitefully swat down improvements.

Even if those issues are resolved, there is still the massive gulf in power between code monkeys and non-technical users. If none of the code monkeys deign to implement features or bug fixes that non-technical users want or need, then those users are shit out of luck. Another wrench is thrown into things when it's software that runs on a server and there are also sysadmins who could pull the plug at any time even if a democratic system was built into the software.

I guess what I'm getting at is: what is a way to make FOSS as anarchic as possible without opening holes that bad actors could easily exploit and without leaving users incapable of making code be beholden to the code monkeys? The main thing FOSS has going for it is that its governance isn't as shit as how tech companies would handle it, and that's a very low bar to get over.

Watching this happen with F-Droid. A badly needed UI refresh is getting repeatedly watered down and delayed because one of the maintainers with veto power is a dinosaur who thinks people are gonna jump ship if the app looks more modern

Ironically, the dated UI is what makes me want to use third party clients like Droid-ify instead

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17225642884307015.webp

https://media.tenor.com/vStVs49N3YMAAAAx/racoon-screaming.webp

FRICK YOU WHAT THE FRICK I LOVE THE FDROID UI

ITS OK

ITS FINE THE WAY IT IS

DONT FRICK WITH FDROID

https://media.tenor.com/l4eGPwvBDj4AAAAx/rage-upset.webp

WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH THESE LADIES

I can't even remember what I was supposed to be recapping. Something about too many mayos in a FOSS project?

:marseysquint: scrolls upward

Yeah, too many white people on Mastodon. That checks out because mastodon is an annoying white guy in IT kind of scene

https://media.tenor.com/G8DYP5eVWqEAAAAx/weird-al-yankovic-white-and-nerdy.webp

The hexbear thread doesn't remember what we're talking about either.

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feudalism is when internet? :marseyitsallsotiresome:

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Finally, someone speaks of the topic at hand:

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they have a user named hypercracker... lol lmao

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I am now reading the essay, linked in ExotiqueMatter's post

https://h-i.works/2024/04/a-case-for-community.html

Here's the text in full, since these people usually stop paying their webhost when it comes up for renewal


To make a positive start, I want to give some props to Eugen Rochko, the original creator of Mastodon. The explosion of independent social media onto the global landscape is mainly due to the adoption of the idea he put together in 2016. It should be remembered that many people's introduction to self-hosted communities was Mastodon. In that context, Rochko deserves respect for being the door that introduced people to a new concept.

The proliferation of Mastodon could not have been predicted, with estimations of over 11,000 installed instances of the software, serving close to nine million people. For a small project started by a 23-year-old fresh out of school, that's pretty impressive.

As interest in the fediverse grows and a diverse range of people join the independent social media space, different needs and wants become apparent. Some want their spaces to be as full as possible, while others want small communities that cater to the needs of their immediate peer group. Some people want a centralized social media experience, while others are content with having their small corner of the web. The desired experiences are just as diverse as those who populate the fediverse.

In this context, a single person can't accommodate these needs and make decisions that satisfy the need for a different experience for everyone who wants that. While Rochko should be remembered as the creator of Mastodon, his leadership style has resisted the diversification of the platform experience, choosing to cling to a hard-line stance on what he feels the project should be.

The unfortunate result of this position is the project developing a reputation for being hostile to specific populations, a propensity for unilateral decision-making and replicating the toxic conditions of centralized platforms in claims to be an ethical alternative to.

This is further complicated by his cozy relationship with Facebook and Twitter, both being notorious bad actors in the social media landscape, which is at odds with his stated goal of creating a healthier social media experience that differs from centralized platforms.

The concept of Mastodon is forward-thinking, but Rockho's leadership of that idea has raised some grave concerns and questions about his intentions and motivations.

However, as Mastodon is also open source, this provides an opportunity to diverge from Rockho's singular vision to one that is more inclusive and able to dynamically adapt to the diverse needs of a growing global community that wants to escape the trap of declining centralized social media. An alternate vision can be created that invites improvements from a wide range of people who will share their experiences and expertise to help the project nimbly navigate a constantly changing digital world.

I propose Awujo, a hard-forked alternative to Mastodon that will be managed and prioritize safety, accessibility, and ease of use, managed by a consensus of diverse voices.

Awujo is the Yoruba word for community, and it was chosen to illustrate a fundamental shift from a singular and narrow vision to a broader, more inclusive perspective. A perspective that values a collaborative approach to implement a wider range of features that speak to the needs of people who want to have a curated experience with an improved version of Mastodon.

Of course, changing the direction of a project the size of Mastdon is no small task. It will require a range of contributors and the funding to pay them for their work. But we can start now.

Let's look at a high-level overview of Awujo's goals.

  • Implement better safety cowtools and expand the moderation experience
  • Align the front-end experience with modern accessibility standards
  • Reduce technical bloat to increase performance and stability
  • Simplify setup and maintenance
  • Define a transparent code contribution process
  • Create a stable pathway for current Mastodon instances to migrate to Awujo

It will take time to accomplish, but the framework for steady progress toward these goals can begin today.

The infrastructure for Awujo has been created, and the cowtools for collaboration, code repository, cloud instance for file sharing, and a platform for chat/audio/video conferencing are a part of the h.i. infrastructure (using all independent platforms, by the way, wink) is ready to be used.

A new codebase based on the fantastic Glitch fork of Mastodon can be created to be the foundation of the new direction. From that point, organizing people who want to be contributors and/or funders will take place to form the core governance that will create new standards that will define how the work will progress and standardize community involvement.

Once the new working group has been established, the overall goals will be broken down into digestible chunks that will be carefully integrated into the new codebase until all priorities have been covered. Of course, this entire process will be public.

In closing, I am glad Mastodon exists. It has provided a unique opportunity to build digital communities away from the corporate gaze I value. While Rockho's vision for it is problematic, that view does not have to define its direction.

We can improve it in ways that serve a healthier and richer experience.

And all it will take is for us to work together.

Contribute to Awujo here

If you're interested in being a contributor, DM me.

r.


it will be called

Awujo

it's the yoroba word for community!

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I just wanna point out that Ro / Are0h has been known on fedi / Mastodon for years as a drama leech and grifter.

He took in over $18,000 on GoFundMe to make a brand new platform that was going to be "safer" without the knowledge of how to make such a project. People were warning for years that this was a grift. His announcement instead goes against his entire promise as a fork of Mastodon with minor changes is not at all what people funded

https://www.gofundme.com/f/a-new-way-to-social-media

He's initially known for running PlayVicious which was a black instance that he shut down himself after starting a flame war with an indigenous instance elekk.xyz, and he uses that for his grift by changing the narrative that ypipo chased him out of fedi and forced him to shut down.

He came back a few years ago to start a block list project called TheBadSpace which scores instances based solely on if they appear on the block list of maybe 8-10 instances, most of which have less than 100 users. This isn't so bad but there's no way to appeal ending up on this list and there's no receipts or anything attached to the block recommendations and most of the reasons are vague.

Are0h is a career grifter who runs these things because he doesn't want to work like the rest of us. Do not trust.

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I still dont understand what the frick a fediverse or instance is

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!commenters we have a new friend who registered just to post this :marseylaying:


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I was lurking last night from a fedi post but noticed yall don't have the full context

But hi :marseyexcited:

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Which fedi post(s) linked our discussion?

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:marseydance: :marseyexcitedgif:

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sounds like a BIPOC who might have been grifted :marseybipocmerchant:

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I'm gonna be honest, the drama surrounding mastodon blocklists has been funny. Privileging certain instances as providing the blocklist basically everyone else uses, then immediately using it for infighting, was hilarious.

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It's funnier when the instances that run them cancel each other

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Well the what else are we supposed to do?! Just accept that there's currently NO (ZERO) Mastodon instances that are safe for BIPOC??!

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Being a janny is hard pay me :marseysoycry:

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Tldr?

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nice

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This is a really long way of saying you don't frick.

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