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>I’m a big believer in Karl poppers paradox of tolerance

:marseybangfast::marseybangfast::marseybangfast:

Imagine writing 700 pages in defense of liberal democracy and the open society, only to have a single paragraph memeified by illiterate r-slurs 80 years later to justify silencing and imprisoning their boomer uncles for posting anti-vaxx memes to Facebook.

The only evident paradox here is that authoritarian personalities insist on wearing liberalism like a skin suit.

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I've had Bardy ban me from his clubhouses when I just replied with the part of Popper's paradox that he refuses to read. Elon Musk also did something like this when he unbanned Trump where he quoted "vox populi, vox dei". I also hear "blood is thicker than water" all the time to describe the opposite of what the phrase actually means.

:#marseybeanangry:

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Oh, and also Citizens United is a great example of the absolute majority of people having a completely wrong idea what it was about.

Elon Musk also did something like this when he unbanned Trump where he quoted "vox populi, vox dei".

What did you mean by that btw? That seems to me to be at least in the same general area.

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The 3/5ths compromise is the king of this kind of shit.

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>Ivermectin and the FDA

How does this fit in with investing in silver?

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They're not silver investors. They think that silver also does the same thing as GameStop stonks where it will magically change everything and make your wife stop sleeping with her coworker.

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burgers?

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People who hoard precious metals are not stable

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I’m a big believer in Karl poppers paradox of tolerance

Karl popper was right in his words β€œUnlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance

God I fricking hate redditors peepeeriding Popper and the paradox of tolerance so fricking much :marseyraging:

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Especially because they get it wrong.

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They do, it's so funny.

Redditors: karl pooper said if you let people freely exchange ideas they will inevitably conclude nazism is the way to go

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They make it sound like Nazism is the right choice and superior idea.

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:#marseywrongthonk:

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Literally the next paragraph contradicts the Reddit Interpretation of the paradox. It's just so emblematic of how lazy and uninformed redditors are.

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Got a link I’ve never read it

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Literally the wikipedia page. The part redditors quote is in bold:

Less well known [than other paradoxes] is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. β€”In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.

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as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion

Where is the contradiction?

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The contradiction is that redditors use (the first part of) this passage to justify why people with badthink must not be allowed to express their opinions and why all argument with them must be denounced pre-emptively. I.E. they're exhibiting the exact behaviour which Popper said is not justified and must not be tolerated.

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Yes, but when do you define the boundary for when you can counter someone with rational logic? And when are you no longer keeping them in check by public opinion? Conspiracy theorists are an example of people who are impenetrable to rational thought and would therefore meet the criteria set by his "rule" especially given the now widespread prevalence of these beliefs resulting in negative real-world harm, such as antivax conspiracy theorists resulting in the reemergence of numerous previously controlled infections (I'm not even talking about Covid-19). I don't see any contradiction, but you would be free to disagree as to when that line should be drawn.

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The criterion isn't "am I successfully countering this idea with my arguments", the criterion is "are the people I disagree with engaging in rational argument". In other words, the only condition under which you're allowed to dispense with argument and resort to force is if your opponents have resorted to force first.

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Yeah, you're only supposed to not tolerate it when the other side resorts to violence. Which isn't a huge philosophical take. Beat up people who try to kick your butt. Wow so fricking brilliant.

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Everything is violence when "mental health" is seen as this tangible part of their being. All they have to claim is that you're making them sad and anxious and you're basically assaulting them.

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>Micro aggression

>Micro assault (actually had that term defined to me in a seminar in college)

The way to limit speech is a little bit at a time by associating it with physical aggression

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twitter is gone! the ONLY thing trending is racism and qanon bigotry! i mean, just look at my screenshot! there's one post about this thing from today and one from 2 weeks ago!!!!!

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I can’t believe people are still taking ivermectin. Just go take an otc laxative

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So had ivermectin actually been found to work on covid yet? Last I heard it had some relevent effects in vitro, but failed to work in vivo.

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No, like most viruses disease, there's not a lot of drugs that works outside of vax and antibodies (even then).

People just wanted magic potion because covid was starting to become tiresome and mass media kept trying to stoke fear.

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It's so r-slurred, so many things kill viruses in a petri dish, like bleach or a hydraulic press. Getting something to work in vivo and not kill the host is so hard

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Isn't that implicit? There's no way to enforce against people taking ivermectin.

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Nice post, bro! I posted it to twitter.

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wait, wait, wait.... hold your horses... uhm... YOU'RE A GIRL DEUXCEL?!!?! O_O Not to be a freak, but.. just when I thought you couldn't get more attractive.. you started posting on /r/DeuxRAMA. Nicely done, m'lady. You've just become every man's dream woman. If you had missed a couple before, now you can be sure you've got us ALL "drooling", lol.

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https://old.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/z20759/twitter_is_officially_gone_the_only_thing/?sort=controversial:

https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/yzvxvd/fda_says_telling_people_not_to_take_ivermectin/?sort=controversial:

https://old.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/yzivu7/doctor_lost_her_husband_to_q_tries_to_prevent_her/:

https://old.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccines/comments/z02u01/fda_says_telling_people_not_to_take_ivermectin/?sort=controversial:

https://old.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/z0ixj4/parents_believe_ill_die_if_i_get_vaccinated_for/?sort=controversial:

https://old.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/z1ngf2/my_dad_is_hospitalized_from_ivermectin/?sort=controversial:

https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/yz3ei4/remember_when_the_nyt_definitively_stated_that/?sort=controversial:

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I know about a dozen patriots who took ivermectin properly instead of doing the hoaxey pokey and all are fine

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