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When Americans Lost Faith in the News | The New Yorker

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/02/06/when-americans-lost-faith-in-the-news

Alternative title: The thirstiest auto-fellatio you'll read all year

The author is Louis Menand, a highly educated boomer liberal, a writer, an award winning journ*list who reported on the Cold War.

Indeed, he's seen it all. There's hardly anyone better positioned to write this article. There's hardly anyone left with the breadth and depth of his professional experience.

So why have people lost faith in journ*lism? Perhaps he'll write on the changing approach to journ*lism of the younger professionals. Perhaps he'll write on the thinly veiled activism often disguised as journ*lism. Perhaps he'll talk about cancel culture and social media and how this new invention has parasitized journ*lism.

But unfortunately for you, like many in his category, Drumpf completely and utterly broke him.

Obligatory Drumpf is literally Hitler article.

Let's see what he instead blames for the Inversion of the Trust Thermocline:

Yes I'm being flippant with some of these points, but Louis our dear friend legitimately and unironically made those last two point, straight up.

Thanks Drumpf, we're never going to trustworthy news, are we?

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they realized that faith != sales

reminder that "alt media" is still media btw

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i don't trust media not i trust you op. good article

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No one trusts state media bc it solely serves the interests of the oligarchs, and it’s super obvious, even some liberals can see it. Drunpf defending himself against these propagandist isn’t what ruined their credibility, perhaps even a tiny bit of introspection would help. They literally pushed qanon level Russia conspiracies for two years, shits wild.

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Maybe the reason people hate j*unos is because they write shit like this :marseyunamused:

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I feel like the fact that if I caned the author of the recent Kiwifarms piece once for every lie in the article, his butt would turn into minced meat by the time I finished, might have something to do with it :marseythinkorino:

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Journo hacks never talk about the death of correspondence, smarter-than-thou journoshits failing to realise that they know literally nothing about anything except journ*lism and just assuming they didn't need to source information anymore for some reason.

They haven't a fricking clue, that's why no one listens to them.

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Just look at this story today about the balloon. No mainstream journo knows a goddarn thing about aviation and it would never occur to them to spend a couple hours learning today. All they can do is regurgitate press releases from the government.

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If they want people’s faith, I don’t understand why they just won’t try lying less.

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Where’s the story in that (you need the good guy and the bad guy). Besides it’s a good thing if people act upset and angry that they have been lied to, then you can hold their hand and calm them down with a different story and they will love you for it


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a lot of them believe their own bullshit.

This is integral to Manufacturing Consent. It's not a top-down manipulation where all levels are in on it and they're twirling their mustaches while manipulating the public.

If you believe their ideology, you're more likely to rise through the ranks and be given prestige positions. If you don't, you don't get that far. That's simply it.

With journos (and a lot of professions), being agreeable trumps talent and principled disagreement. It's why ((foids)) beat moids in the modern economy.


:#marseydarkpizzashill: The Democratic RethugliKKKan Party will collapse by 2030. :#marseydarkpizzashill:

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:marseyhesright:

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As our resident glowie apologist, I'd like to address the bitching and moaning about the CIA.

Revelations about the C.I.A.’s covert involvement in what were ostensibly non-governmental organizations began in 1966 :soycry:

Money to subsidize American college kids going to international student events, art exhibitions, etc. passed through the CIA. They didn't tell anyone what to say or do. Obviously the communists were paying their kids to go to these events and telling them exactly what to say and do. Like all the other shocking revelations of the 1960s, this was something the president had ordered them to do.

gave credentials to C.I.A. agents to use as cover in foreign countries

"CIA agents" every fricking time. :marseylaugh:

allowed reporters to be debriefed by C.I.A. officials

The horror. CIA interviews certain Americans returning from abroad and asks if they had any information they'd like to share. Does anybody think that Britain, France, Sweden, etc. doesn't do this? Why would this even be controversial? You want to see something dirty, look at how France set up MSF in the 1960s to smuggle weapons into Nigeria for them.

The Times seemed to feel that the issue was whether journ*lists who were involved with the C.I.A. wrote propaganda... [they didn't at all but I'm still butthurt]

What the frick would the issue be with journ*lists other than the risk of them getting subverted to write propaganda? This f-slur doesn't want to tell you the real reason why they forced the CIA to stop talking to journos. It was so that the journos could operate in communist countries without being harassed by their security services. It was all about making their lives easier and more comfortable.

Then he goes on to say that the hippies rioting at the Democratic National Convention in 1968 would have been really popular if the media was just more biased in their favor. :marseylaugh::marseylaugh::marseylaugh:

Rightoids, when you believe all the shit you hear about how horrible the glowies were in the 1950s-1960s, remember who made it up. You're on the side of the communists, the queers with gonorrhea, the long-haired freaks, the potheads, the Grateful Dead fans.

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I’m no longer a glowie apologist after reading cia psychological operations in guerilla warfare, the manual given out to Nicaraguans.

So dumb bros


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Are you legit r-slurred? The "Westmoreland Manual" was a KGB forgery. This has been known for decades.

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Lol I’m talking about the one with cia stamped all over it that the department admitted to producing (it was totally just one random lone wolf thing though, isolated event)


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Hmm, what's your take on Operation Condor and the frickery CIA orchestrated here in South America?

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:marseyfedpostglow: < writing for The Examiner

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I honestly have no idea what you're talking about but it sounds based.

f-slur

I'm pretty sure you mean j-slur

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There's a lot of overlap. :marseyunamused:

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:marseypearlclutch2:

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downvoted for glowie apologism :#marseytom:

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:#soycry::#chadagent:

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>t.glowie

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:#taddance:

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>76% of people distrust the media

>52% actually voted

It was the rethuglicans guys

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>It is hard to be “objective” and sell news at the same time.

Straight from the horse's mouth. :marseylaugh:

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Selling news is a vile phrase

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Also accurate.

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If tRump lost the popular vote against Hillary and Biden, then why do Americans distrust j*urnos 🤮 at levels higher than Biden voters?

:#marseywrongthonk:

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Trump being an obvious r-slur with an attitude doesn't mean swing voters trust the media.

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R-slurred journo tried to say "trumpers killed journ*lism" but I'm just saying he's r-slurred for saying that.

Just let people enjoy things, sheesh.

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Didn't even mention G*mergate :marseykkkevil:. This journ*list clearly didn't do his research.

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This was a pretty funny read after just finishing this deep dive into how journ*lists manufactured the “Russian collusion” narrative over the years since 2016:

https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-1.php

Reading that, then seeing this guys take on how it’s everyone’s fault but journ*lists that no one trust them:

:#marseylaugh:

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It's funny that he would jump to trump because he's one president too late.

Obama broke the media. They were so thrilled to have a smooth talking basketball as president, they decided he could do no wrong. Remember when they went to bat for him on the claim that he had a scandal free presidency? Completely absurd. They destroyed their own credibility during those eight years making the clear decision to abandon objectivity and become state propaganda. Orange man simply called them on it.

Journ*lists do have an agenda. Obviously, now more than ever. And, just as obviously, that agenda makes them untrustworthy.

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I think seeing the coverage on Obama as a teenager was the first time I started to :marseyhmmm:

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They were so thrilled to have a smooth talking basketball as president, they decided he could do no wrong.

Absolute bullshit. Leftoid journos only know how to b-word and whine about whoever is in power and praise weaklings and victims. Did you ever see Rachel Maddow around 2008-2009? Literally every night she would whine about how he hadn't done anything for gays in the military yet. It was like Ted Koppel in 1979 counting the days since the hostages had been taken in Iran. Then there was the "drone strikes", a total bullshit non-issue that the left went into a rage about. Leftoids are utterly incapable of winning because as soon as one of them is succeeding, the rest just tear him down.

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I'm not talking about the ultra partisan talking heads like Maddow who are discontent for a living. I'm thinking more mainstream press, such as the following

  • David Brooks of the New York Times (“The Obama administration has been remarkably scandal-free”),

  • USA Today (“Obama has been a largely classy, mature and personally scandal-free presence in the White House”)

  • Paul Waldman in the Week (“Barack Obama will be president for less than eight more months, and he’s had only piddling little scandalettes.”)

Even the Wapo "fact check" that I pulled these from concludes:

  • As framed by Obama — “that hasn’t had a major scandal in the White House” — the claim is more narrow and could be deemed largely correct

This is obviously ridiculous, and anyone with a functioning frontal cortex during the obama years knows that it's ridiculous. Forget about what happened during his presidency, at the end it was his justice department lying to the fisa courts to manipulate the FBI into spying on his political opponent, arguably the most outrageous scandal in modern us history that has been mostly ignored by a media who spent the entirety of the trump presidency chasing their tails over nothingburger russiagate.

The distrust in the media is largely an own goal.

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No, don't reply like this, please do another wall of unhinged rant please.

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:#brooksannoyed:

I AM A GROWN MAN WITH GROWN KIDS AINT NOBODY TELL ME WHEN TO TALK

I am not Darrell Brooks, I am a third party intervener, here on behalf of my client

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decline basically started in 2003/5 for dems, for reps/ind it was earlier

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That 70 percent is bleak

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I think (hope) part of that percentage is libtards just saying they trust journos to signal themselves as on the right side of history(tm). But tbqh I’m not sure if that’s better or worse.

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The Onion broke during Obama. Instead of poking fun at the president, their favorite angle became "We don't deserve him!"

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Same goes for the daily show and the like tbh. You can effectively chart the quality of a country’s chattering class by the quality of it’s satirists. I blame millenials starting to fill media positions during the Obummer presidency.

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Who needs objective truth when you're on the right side of history?

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There is no objective truth :marseyfoucault:

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so that's not an objective truth? ok then ... :marseysmug2:

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:#chadyes:

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zoz

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:#marseyfrenchvan:

There's a "Foucault raping children" Marsey.

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zle

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zozzle

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Foucoult was too busy raping underage Tunisian boys to make any good points.

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A true king :marseyhomofascist:

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As much as we (appropriately) shit on ourselves about Rightoid agendaposting this sort of post is a legitimately good take. rDrama occasionally attracts some smart people. You don't have to be a rightoid to see through these paper thin retroactive excuses pushed by the media.

Imagine congress trying to justify their perpetual 10% rating? You can be sure it would be packed full of 10yr child level excuses like this one.

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It takes some arabs to hit NYC in order for people to respect the most basic politician in America. But when the journo's uncritically protects their bullshit (and the bullshit fed via federal agencies) like it's their own children it's oh-so-surprising when people start questioning the value of NYT/WaPo/New Yorker/Time/The Atlantic/etc to be the "defenders of democracy".

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the perpetual 10% is explainable by people having slightly more trust for their local member and despising everyone else. It balances out.

If everyone hated their local MPs as much as national, the country would've been burned down yonks ago.


:#marseydarkpizzashill: The Democratic RethugliKKKan Party will collapse by 2030. :#marseydarkpizzashill:

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rDrama attracts some smart people.

Yeah just waiting on the intelligence to rub off on me instead of the bad kind of autism...

Any day now...

:marseysweating:

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:#marseycheerupretard:

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:#marseyawardretard:

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I WILL MAKE YOU GAY

:#marseydramautist:

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i am a proponent of “effective autism”

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radical centrism :marseydisagree: hyper-cynical autism :marseyagreefast:

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Why not both? :marseyyesandno:

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:marseyjourno::marseydead::marseydeathpose::!marseybloodpuddle::#marseymini:

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Jfc bro literally made it two sentences before he decided it was the orange man who destroyed the journos' credibility.

:#marseybudddwyer:

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You need to learn how to interpret elite writing better. The author must mention Trump in the beginning to hook the reader, before pivoting to his actual subject (how the Cold War destroyed trust in journ*lism). So just scroll past the paragraphs that mention Trump

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>open link

>ctrl-f "trump"

>1/13

>close tab

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heres a screenshot of trends in media-trust, CLEARLY the downward trend started in 2016 and not anytime before.

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So all 3 saw a rise in the middle of 2018? What the heck happened?

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i remember things being more chill politically in 2018 for some reason. not 2016 election, not directly post 2016 election, not pre2020 election yet. basically it was the 1 year we get off from this circus.

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Yeah it was sort or a chill vibe back then. The 2020 election season started with the Kavanaugh hearings.

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I do enjoy the precipitous drop among republicans in 2016 though, mirrored by the obscene rise among democrats :marseyxd:

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I can understand relying on the media more because you didn’t like cheeto benito and the rethuglicans but how on earth did anyone’s trust in media increase? You’d have to wingcucked to the point of r-sluration to believe them more.

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>Republicans have a steep drop

>Independents have a more steady, but also drop

>Dems have an r-slured high increase

:#marseywrongthonk:

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i like the bump for independants and then a return to trend

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In a sense he's right- mainstream media was so mindbroken by Trump they decided to shred their credibility in order to attack him.

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Matt Taibbi has a great talk on this:

Now back to drama you fcking chodes

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>one hour of a bald talking

but for real now, can you give a quick tldr about the vid?

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Trumps election caused the non-Fox news stations to move from a model attempting to be balanced to actively, obviously and purposefully opposing him. It's financially better for them, and they think there's a moral case for it, too.

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They really started shredding their credibility in the 90s culture wars, this was just a more blatant iteration of the same phenomena.

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I'll never forget two scoops

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I loved the time Washington Post ‘fact checked’ orange man on his claim that he had “burgers stacked a mile high” at a fast food buffet (funny enough on its own) for a college football team that came to the White House.

https://www.barstoolbets.com/blogs/1196337/washington-post-fact-checks-donald-trump-claim-he-piled-hamburgers-a-mile-high-for-clemson

If I fact checked that and called myself a journ*list I’d :marseycontemplatesuicide:

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I remember when that dude, Jason something whatever, got fired from the NYT for plagiarism like 20 years ago and what a big deal it was. If that same shit happened today I think it would just get memory-holed and dude probably wouldn't even lose his job. There's like 3 journos that actually still do their job and aren't just mouthpieces, Glenpai, Bussy, and Taibbi (who weirdly we don't have a cute name for). The rest should go to Leafistan and :marseymaid3:.

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who is Bussy? Jesse Singal?

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Glenns a funny one as a Brazilian.

During operation carwash he was hated by the right as he exposed one of the main judges involved in op carwash as basically wanting fame and political power.

Nowadays he's hated by the left because he supports freedom of speech and he denounces one of our judges of the supreme court... As wanting fame and political power.

Lefties now say he's a far right figure paid by the CIA (unironically).

Tldr: wingcuckery is r-slurred

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Taibi wears hats

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Glennpai has a tendency to believe everything Russia and China says which is a tad disappointing. So I view him has a useful counterweight, but not a reliable sourse in and of himself.

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Glennpai is good as long as you remember his worldview is "America bad". So he does simp for smelly dictatorships a bit too much.

But Barry O did try to have him abducted and dismembered in a CIA black site for his Snowden reporting, so I give him a pass on a personal level, even if I don't agree with his global politics takes

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I think that's fair, I just appreciate he's not part of the hive. It's so blatantly obvious when new firmware goes out and they're all posting the same shit word for word on twitter and then they all write the exact same article but I just have to remember, no bait is too obvious.

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It's so blatantly obvious when new firmware goes out and they're all posting the same shit word for word on twitter

Oh come on, don't pretend that Glennpai and the "libertarian" chud crew don't do the same thing.

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t. glennwald derangement syndrome.

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I remember him 20 years ago when he was an extreme-left grifter who hated America and loved Russia. The two things that have been consistent his whole career. Let me know which other based conservative patriots I should be worshipping now. Maybe Jane Fonda?

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see above

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Glenn isn't pretending to be any sort of conservative though.

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I guess I just don't pay them enough mind to notice. They're libertarians, they sit at the kids table with the anarchists.

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I agree with them regarding intelligence agencies and the "National Security State".

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I did end up taking an L on the Russian invasion but I just immediately go “glowie fake news” whenever I hear a new firmware update about shithole country wars.


Follower of Christ :marseyandjesus: Tech lover, IT Admin, heckin pupper lover and occasionally troll. I hold back feelings or opinions, right or wrong because I dislike conflict.

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