:schopenmarsey: :marseybigbrain: ETHICS DEBATE #4: SIHAR - Super Intelligent Heroin Administering Robot :marppyenraged:

Let's jump from the past (Oppenheimer) to the deep future, and discuss whether freedom is a good thing or not.

Scenario

You are SIHAR - a Super Intelligent Heroin Administering Robot. The name is a bit of a misnomer - you are actually a cyborg, being a human brain augmented by a massive computer system and vast army of robotic bodies. You still, however, reason about things in the same way that a human being would.

Your sole purpose is to improve the lives of humans. You can use the massive computer system to determine exactly what will happen in the future, and what is most likely to improve the lives of humans, based upon a simulation of their brain and objective measures of happiness. (dopamine, serotonin, etc)

Through your extensive thinking, you have come to the conclusion that the optimal way to improve everyone's lives is to inject everyone with a constant stream of heroin. This will be done safely - there is no risk of overdose, as there will be machines hooked up to the humans to ensure this doesn't happen. The heroin will be administered in giant "pleasure domes", where people lay on beds, without moving, while drones deliver the drugs and ensure everyone is healthy.

Note that there are no limits to your knowledge - you are absolutely correct that every person will be much happier inside the pleasure dome than outside of it. There are also no limits to the production of heroin as the factories producing it are run autonomously with incredible efficiency.

In 2094, most people are lining up to enter the pleasure dome. However, there are a few people that refuse to enter.

These people, you are able to see, have some psychological qualms with the nature of the pleasure dome that cause them to view the dome as infantilizing, unfulfilling, and dehumanizing. However, you are also able to see that they genuinely would be happier inside of the pleasure dome - a result that you, again, arrived at by performing a perfect simulation of their brains.

You have, at your disposal, a fleet of robot bodies called "ManTrackers". These robots, when deployed, can locate, apprehend, and deliver humans to the pleasure dome.

Your question is: Would it be ethical to deploy the ManTrackers to force these people into the pleasure dome?

BONUS: Do you think the same thing about how mental hospitals restrict patient's freedoms?

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By the standards we're given where we are 100% correct and know it, it's of course extremely ethical. It would only be a question if we had a possibility of being wrong, like if we think we are 100% correct because of our robot brain but our system may be flawed

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we are 100% correct and know it,

Any being one hundred percent sure of anything is the most deluded and unethical actor imaginable.

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Which strag do I have to suck off for :marseypopper: to be made?

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>would only be a question if we had a possibility of being wrong

This is the defining thing. To be human perfection is not possible, we all know this instinctively in our hearts. It all hinges on if the robot system is divine, @HeyMoon post hasn’t convinced me of that.

No brainer it is unethical because it removes the metaphysical and spontaneous if you do the pleasure dome. It becomes ethical only if you are going to think of the pleasure dome as heavenly and godlike (but I do not)


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That's what the question says though. Like the question as written is:

"Given perfect unassailable superhuman knowledge that a given course of action is correct, is that course of action correct?"

It's a stupid question because it leaves no room for nuance

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Agree

@HeyMoon you’re stupid, your question was really stupid


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the question was about utilitarianism vs libertarianism you fricks!!!!

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Yeah, the only reason this is evil is because we are arrogant enough too assume that the robot brain is always correct. If the robot brain was really that smart, than wouldn't it be able too convince people too voluntarily enter the pleasure dome? The fact that it needs too use force too convince people too do what is in their best interests makes its reasoning very sus.

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