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SRDEnjoyer she/them Popcorn tastes good.  1yr ago (reddit.com) 827 thread views #145655

The online tabletop based sub /r/Roll20 bans AI-generated art form being posted because they consider it to be theft....While the website allows you to buy AI generated art tokens. Roll for initiative, we're going in!

https://old.reddit.com/r/Roll20/comments/10vgfvb/new_rule_no_aigenerated_art?sort=controversial

To add to the hilarity of it all: I am quite certain that the majority of users complaining about AI art have several times googled an image for "handsome tiefling female" or "Strong lizardfolk man with a blonde mohawk" and put that on their characters without giving the artist any recognition!

Please don't pee in the popcorn. Here are some highlights:

"It feels a little bit strange given that Roll20 expressly permits the sale of AI-generated art that has undergone any level of additional processing or modification post-generation.".

"This is a bad rule, and smells the same as people that didn't think digital art was real art when first introduced."

"This is a terrible policy. Roll20 literally sells AI art packs. So we can't even share screencaps including tokens from art packs we bought on roll20 in the roll20 subreddit? Are the mods huffing glue or something?"

"The reason being that webcrawl AI is art theft for the purpose of making art infinitely cheaper and thus not something artists will be able to do and survive on? Because that's the reason why the people who actually make art are upset about it AI. And considering it's their work that has been instrumental to produce these tools and they did not get paid for it a dime, even from the companies which monetize their generations through tokens, I'll side with them any day of the week."

"Your personal lack of care for something that affects you and people like you doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist or 'is silly'. If the price of cancer treatment goes up and a person with cancer says 'I honestly don't give a shit', it doesn't mean the price going up is not a problem."

"AI Art is literally cancer, local reddit user claims."

"Oh man good thing we have the Ethics Decider here to tell us that no ethics were violated! And of course he says that everyone who disagrees must just not understand - the true hallmark of a cryptobro now aggressively marketing a new avenue very legitimate Ethics Decider. Copyright has not been infringed upon and laws have not been broken because both law and copyright move at a glacial pace. Not all things that are legal are morally alright or should be allowed by platforms. I fully understand how AI art works. I also full reject your claim that it it's ethically sound in its current forms. It is an automated tool that bases its entire work on other works. Its sources are often dubious: artists generally don't get asked if they are okay with their works entering the pool that feeds the AI, and once the image is generated it's not possible to trace back which images have been fed into it. You're taking other people's work and you pretend that as long as the tool you use is complex enough, it is transformative. It is not."

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/10vxt7c/the_online_tabletop_based_sub_rroll20_bans/?sort=controversial

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We should just call AI Art "sampling" other artists like they do in music and then it's okay. I don't see any difference

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Corporations tried and failed to lock down the

way music was used and distributed decades ago. Constant moral arguments about how it was stealing (lmao my ears are stealing a copy of your work) fell on deaf ears and ended up pushing much more reasonable music distribution services later.

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Yeah imagine having to buy dvds for like a dollar to bootleg movies for your tv when you could just pay 8.99 for netflix instead

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AI art is theft, sampling is a proud tradition where people of colour revolutionise and culturally enrich boring white music by talking over the top of it and calling it a new song

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