Before we get into the juicy drama, we need to clarify a couple things, since I know the average dramatard is chronically ignorant of things that exist outside america . If you already know this stuff then you can skip it.
The Spanish Civil War
During the late 1930s Spain was in the middle of a civil war, it had previously been a short lived unstable democratic republic, led by left-wing revolutionaries (Republicans ), until pro-monarchy christo fascist movements (Nationalists ) decided they wanted to retvrn to tradition so they staged a coup and war begun. I'm not going to go into the details of the war because they really don't matter. All you need to know is that Republicans were the reddit atheists and Nationalists were the marble statue twitter accounts.
Religious Persecution in Republican territory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_(Spain)
We have established that Republicans weren't keen on religion, since the catholics were on the side of the Nationalists, hence after the failed coup of 1936, which started the war, a wave of violence against catholicism began in the Republican controlled areas of the country, referred to as the Red Terror, with horrible attacks such as priests being crucified and castrated, nuns being skinned alive and their tits being chopped off, churches being burned to the ground, etc. I should clarify most of these people were not combatants and they were mainly killed for the crime of being catholic. Of course Republicans were the heckin Good Guys™ defending democracy from the Christo-Fascists so it was totally justified, no doubt.
Around fifty thousand people lost their lives to this wave of violence, up until 1939 when Francisco Voldemort won the war and stopped the heckin wholesome peer reviewed schezwuan sauce religious pogroms.
The Actual Drama
Note: For those of you who suffer from American. Beatification is the Church's way of officially declaring that someone went to heaven, xoxo.
Around 2013 the Catholic church, led by pope Francis , decided to beatify 522 victims of the Spanish Civil War, holding a ceremony in Spain to mourn the victims of the Red Terror, very nice and dandy. But Francis did a heckin wrong-think by recognizing the murders done by the Good Guys™ as unwholesome, which caused a bit of a fuzz, as we'll see.
Despite clarifying beforehand that the ceremony was to honour the victims and not a political one, and that they were in support of the Nationalists nor against the Republicans, this did not stop left wing groups from intensely seething because someone pointed out a bad thing the Republicans did, instead of blaming everything on Francoism (as is tradition in Spain).
From Spanish Wikipedia.
The movement "Procés Constituent a Catalunya" issued a statement opposing the event and considering it an injustice to the republican victims who defended democratic freedoms.
We had to behead those nuns and put their heads on sticks at the entrance of their church to uphold democracy, chud, you wouldn't understand.
The Christian association Església Plural warned that the beatifications could become an act of fascist exaltation and Spanish nationalism, and warned that extreme right-wing groups, such as the Asociación Cruz de San Andrés and the Liga Tradicionalista, were calling for the participation of their sympathizers.
The worst part about us mass murdering priests and nuns is that it gives chuds a valid argument.
The Popular Unity Candidacy (CUP) of Tarragona requested to the plenary session of the city council that the consistory not be involved in the act, because it considered that it went against the secular character of public institutions. It also asked to reconsider, for security reasons, the presence of American warships, that the archbishopric assume all the costs and that the Spanish royal family not be invited. He also warned that the act could "hurt the sensitivity of those people and relatives who suffered the consequences of the coup d'état and Franco's dictatorship and who still await recognition and restoration of the place where they suffered (Las Oblatas, the Antigua Audiencia, the mass graves of the cemetery...)."
Trauma is when people mourn victims of war.
On October 10 there was a concentration of a hundred people of the Coordinadora para la Laicidad y la Dignidad, with 1700 signatures of support and the adhesion of 59 entities, according to the organizers. It ended with the reading of a manifesto that was hand-delivered to the Archbishop of Tarragona, Jaume Pujol, where they demanded the Church to recognize the dignity of all the victims, to say that the coup d'état of 1936 was illegal and to apologize for the proximity to the Franco regime.
All lives matter, chud.
A group of entities of the anti-capitalist, pro-independence, Marxist and libertarian left (the trade unions Co.Bas and CGT, the organizations Arran, SEPC, Endavant, CUP, Revolta Global and the Unified Socialist Network of Catalonia, and the local collectives Cau de Llunes, Brot Bord, Friends of Che and Ateneu Llibertari Alomà
Friends of Che lmao . Watch out chud, the larper squads have arrived.
They called a demonstration in Tarragona with the slogan "Against fascism and the coup church" for October 12 at 6 pm, with a route from the "statue of the naked" in the Rambla Nova to the Plaza de Poniente. The collectives said that they are not against religious beliefs or the fact of beatification, but the "fascist connotations" of the acts and the choice of the same weekend of Columbus Day. The event brought together about 500 people.
500 p-p-people!? Shiver me timbers!
In the end the Church gave a half-assed apology and told people to forgive and forget, and the commies still seethed with rage, positive outcome for dramacoin.
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Orwell was a low tier commie writer and reading homage to Catalonia made me a Francoist by default
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Orwell was hated by everyone else in his battalion lmao. They all thought he was an elitist aristocratic jackass.
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I believe it. But he also turned !commies over to MI5, potentially ruining said commies' lives and causing seethe that lasts to this day. So he's okay in my book.
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Were they wrong, though?
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Nope. Orwell lived and died a gigantic arse to everyone he ever interacted with lmao.
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being middle class in UK will make you upper class in spain though
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That's what I'm saying. Anyone who adds qualifiers onto their middle class-ness is also a LARPing r-slur too.
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In the UK class has blood connotations. Being related to nobility or royalty. You can be of a higher class and not wealthy.
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And?
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"Facts" and "logic" like hating the working class and snitching on all your friends to the government of course.
I'll make sure to do so against you as well. should the feds ask. Or heck, even if they don't.
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Imagine being part of the working class lmao
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Sorry chuddie, you're on the list. Who else is on the list? You're all on the list.
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Which he was, because he was a Pom. APALT
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He's probably the only affluent leftist who put his money where his mouth was when he went to fight against the Francoists and got shot, which makes him pretty keyed imho
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Keyed? Keyed on what?
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"Got scratched."
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I never heard of Orwell being described as a leftist
Yea he fought for republicans initially, but pretty much any of his words and writing show him as being disillusioned with it and being against any kind of autocracy
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He was definitely a leftist (well, social democrat but I'm not going to split hairs), and I suppose seeing the Soviet-backed commies forcibly take over the disparate Republican groups then start shooting dissenters soured him on them it's certainly possible to be an anti-authoritarian leftist, definitely not common in today's "left" (i.e shitlibs and progressives) who seem to want big daddy government to silence and imprison their enemies (not that they're consistent on this, one day it's ACAB DEFUND THE POLEEEECE REEEEE and the next they're dobbing people in to the FBI for unlicensed Capitol tours and demanding a police monopoly on guns)
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Based >>>> keyed cute twink
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Keyed? Keyed on what?
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Read Road to Wigan Pier, man himself agrees, lol
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!catholics
I have nothing to add, just felt that this post was lacking a Catholic ping.
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If a wanted to form commie party and Love For Mao was already taken
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Friends of Pol (Pot)
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Didn't they basically assassinate most of their rightoid competition?
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The republicans of the SCW show everything wrong with the average leftist tbh. Especially anarchists. Frick anarkiddies.
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Weird, I expected you to defend them, why do you think that?
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There's a lot you can get into when it comes to the SCW but I'll keep it brief.
The Nationalists, despite mainly being 3 different groups (Carlists, Falangists, Catholic Nationalists) that hated each other pre war managed to unify into one cohesive organization. The Republicans (Democratic Socialists, Stalinists, Anarchists), meanwhile, fractured more and more as the war went on and spent as much time fighting each other as they did the Nationalists. Beyond that, the DemSocs were plainly r-slurred and the Anarchists were violently dysfunctional lunatics more concerned with fighting and pillaging unarmed civilians than the soldiers of any other faction.
The only redeemable part of the Republicans here were the Stalinists. Everyone else? Completely worthless at best, outright detrimental to their own cause at worst. Everything they did, every decision, was wrong. At all points. They were violent, stupid, selfish, and stubborn as mules. There are good reasons why Lenin took over Russia while the reds lost hard in Spain.
Also, nazbol. Still has /naz/ in it. Everything besides economics here I side with the Nationalists.
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Franco was an A tier at grifting Hitler for gibs lmao. A true Spaniard through and through. Then when Hitler came knocking for payment? Siesta time. For 6 years.
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Franco asked to join Axis multiple times. Its Hitler who looked at the map and said, look, I already have one deadbeat Southern Euro I have to bail out all the time, I don't need two.
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:What the frick you mean, why you expect me to defend them? I don't got to explain shit to you, white boy.
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Because "no true socialist," especially when they commit etrocious acts against civilians.
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They were asking for it chud, did you not see the way they were dressed?
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If Catholics want to mangle their peepee, then we should lop off the entire thing!
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Papists aren't mutilating themselves.
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The beatification of martyrs of the Spanish civil war is still going on. Each year there are a couple of groups (as in person X and y companions) beatified and a couple hundred are currently under investigation if they qualify to get beatified. The qualifications to get beatified are nebulous at best but since I'm neither Spanish nor Catholic I don't really care. There are usually a number of controversies arising around some beatifications as people claim these priests weren't targeted solely for religious reasons or that some of the individuals aren't appropriate for beatification due to their background. The civil war was a long time ago so the details get murky and naturally you'd expect fewer accurate judgments but as far as I know, there haven't been any real disastrous beatifications in the last couple of years.
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The Catholics were on the same side as the good guys? What a shock!
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Carp pin this it's an actual effortpost.
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Despite being only two smol boys, saffers make more than 30% of effortposts.
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There are two wolves inside you, one is @Sal the other is @kaamrev. You are a mayo abomination.
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If you want people to read this post it at like 5 pm, not 2 AM EST.
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It's not 2 AM where I am at and I post it as soon as I finish it, timing posts is for pretentious losers.
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What's your timezone?
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East.
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Franco was p based and Francoism was the only example of fascism actually working for the benefit of everyone with a peaceful transition out of it but no one will study it or give it credence.
It also gave us Dali’s surrealistic Catholic art
https://rdrama.net/post/99786/the-catholic-art-of-dal
E: that link is dead, this works https://web.archive.org/web/20220901172958/https://alfredeaker.com/2018/05/28/the-catholic-art-of-salvador-dali
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Franco was too violent. When you let your Morrocan Muslim troops r*pe Spanish women in the tens of thousands to own the libs etc etc
Of course the rightoids had a point about the whole thing but Franco was a thug
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He was a cutey
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Rеtarded take. The only example of fascism building a stable, relatively peaceful society is Estado Novo, just like the only example of communism doing that is Yugoslavia.
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Many such cases!
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"Caaaaarrrllll! Why is there a pile of priest peepees and lopped off nun tits?'
Reminder that revolutionary catalonia is the leftist idea of a functioning ancom sate lmao
also here is a fun photo
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Revolutionary Spain is to commies what wheat fields are to trad larpers.
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Boring political post
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Dramatards when they have to read more than 5 words to get drama
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GOOD post
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catholics really are the heathens of christianity. (well, trinity based ones). One God, one Son, personal relationship. No one is more holy. No one is closer to God.
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Frick off Christ denying prot heretic. Christ IS God, He is in everyone, the Holy Spirit.
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Wait until the klan hears about this dago posing as an American.
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Blocked. I’m also not a fricking guinea. How dare
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two natures
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I hate spanish separatists so much
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Snapshots:
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archive.ph (click to archive)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_(Spain):
archive.org
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archive.ph (click to archive)
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Nice post, bro! I posted it to twitter.
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tbh, I think the """"outrage"""" (if you can call it that) would have been a lot less had they also included the (limited, but still numeric) amount of Basque priests that apparently were pro-Rebulican (and thus were also killed to death by the Francoists as well)
Moral of the Story: Trying to build a republic in a recently-monarchic land that's still filled with rightoid/sympathetic centrists? Then don't take the commiepill
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:You shut yo' mouth, punk. Ain't no one tryna hear yo' stupid opinion. Them Basque priests deserved what they got, and any republican tryna start shit in a monarchist country is askin' for trouble. So you best learn yo' lesson and keep yo' trap shut.
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