EFFORTPOST Some turbo Nuclear Cope in r/Africa 4 months ago when article is posted in r/Africa denouncing Homophobia specifically from Africa

Greetings Dramatards

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/african-academics-challenge-homophobic-laws/

So in Africa, just like South Africa, sexual minorities like LGBT and gay rights have been pretty much non existent or overlooked, or even downright outlawed. RSA is probably the most tolerant nation on the continent for homosexuals, but even that says extremely little. You may be fooled into thinking that because South Africa obtained equal rights for sexual minorities way back in 1994 in its constitution during the 1994 Mandela Administration, that RSA is some kind of liberal utopia? Especially considering how liberal it is regarding things like woman's rights.

The reality of what is written in law, and what occurs in in everyday life, are very very different things. Homosexuals suffer tremendous discrimination. Most openly LGBT people congregate into the biggest cities like Pretoria and Cape Town, to become as anonemous as possible. The mentality towards gays differ tremendously between urban and rural people as well. Discrimination easily ranges from expulsion from families, excommunication from churches (which tend to form large groups of belonging for SA people, and thus can be devastating), to murder and r*pe and beatings, job security and job interview discriminations.

HIV had ravaged and is still ravaging southern africa, and Burgerland's world wide cultural influence, had meant that their views on Homosexuality and HIV being exclusively linked, had made many people whom were tested to be HIV positive, to then be treated as badly as homosexuals, which was pretty bad. Since HIV and homosexuality were being regarded as one and the same, as rural uneducated people in South Africa perceived that only gays could obtain this sexually transmitted disease. So the frequent horror would occur, when a young Township girl would not only realize she is HIV positive, but in the same day be kicked out of the family house as a degenerate the very same day.

https://www.twinkl.co.za/teaching-wiki/life-orientation

https://www.education.gov.za/Portals/0/CD/SUBSTATEMENTS/Life Orientation.pdf?ver=2006-08-31-121627-000

This happened with alarming frequency, so that the goverment literally had to step into school education, and mandate that all school children learn about adult subjects in a mandatory Subject called Life Orientation - which discussed important topics, like women's rights, s*x and s*x-protection, as well most most significantly the science behind the HIV virus, and how it actually spread. And that HIV infected people could not transmit HIV via physical contact like shaking hands, to prevent communities from literally treating HIV pos peeps like lepers, and have them be pariahs in their communities.

I mention this because foreigners have a very warped Idea of how liberal South Africa actually genuinely is. South Africa in all races is still very very religious, especially all non white people. Coloureds in cape town are 50% muslim, so they are even more conservative than their other 50% christian counterparts, which are in turn even more conservative yet than their white Bong and Afrikaner white christian countrymen. When I was at UCT, I found it to be the most liberal place in all of existence at that time. Gay and Lesbians could walk openly on plaza and residences, holding hands and in classes and be openly free, and suffer no discrimination, and in fact total tolerance. It was a mini utopia for many, however it was an oasis in a country still much much less liberal than the average UCT student, or the average South African.

I mention this, because many Americans and other euro foreigners whom were exchange students at UCT, got an extremely false impression as to the actual ground reality of gay tolerance in the rest of the Country outside of Cape Town, which is often nicknamed as the gay capital of the country. We often joked, that UCT was like a contour heat map, and that the lower you went away from the mountain (next to which the Campus of UCT was located), the significantly less tolerant and endearing the rest of RSA became.

Additionally, Cape Town is more liberal than average than the rest of the entire country (regarding traditional western progressive values like feminism and gay rights), and I've found even Capetonians have unwittingly obtained a false sense of the actual degree of gay acceptance which the rest of the country holds, even the western Cape, the province in which Cape Town is situated.

The reason is mostly because Bong whites tend to be more atheistic and liberal than average than their afrikaner/boer counterparts which tend to live deeper into the mainland, and congergated next to Pretoria and Gauteng, and of course all over the rural farms inland. Thus you'll find significantly more things like gay clubs and LGBT meetings and shit in Cape Town that Pretoria. You still find gay bars and clubs and LGBT parades and shit in Pretoria, but from my personal experience its much less of an open presence than their Western Cape peers.

And last of course, what nobody dares speak of is that the most conservative people in the country is overwhelmingly black peeps, especially Xhosas and Zulus, which together forms like 50% of the black population, and their societies and tribal customs are pretty hostile to anything LGBT related. Foreigners might get the very false impression that South africans and especially Black South Africans are a very liberal people overall, because of things like Black Economic Empowerment and racial quotas which require businesses to have previosuly disadvantaged demographics to have a stake in newly formed companies, or have a mandate that Municipal and government jobs have a minimal amount of black and coloured peeps hold positions of authority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_South_Africa

https://southafrica-info.com/people/south-africa-population/

But these measures came from the Mandela Administration, and they are only supported by the Black majority of the country (which is 79-80%), because they BENEFIT from it, not because they actually hold any worldviews actively in sync with what modern Western Liberals have at other nations. Very leftwing notions like monthly grants which the ANC promise to the poor, are only supported because poor rural people enjoy an income through poverty, and support their local and provincial leaders to continue this action, not because they espouse leftwing ideiology, but once again because they benefit or need from it.

I mention all of this, because almost all of the tremendous homophobic violence Saffers tend to read in their local newspapers, tend to come from black peeps in origin, whose discrimination against queers and gays are very harsh. Even the religious afrikaners tend to wane in comparison to the ultra conservative Zulus in my experience, and many boers here belong to NR churches and its that individual gay dude's random luck whether he's born into a very religious family or one which is at least tolerant of their gay son, and would support them, even if in secret.

Because of this, a lot of the government had attempted to stop homophobia related violence and dicrimination over the past 20 years, but pretty much failed overall. Discourse has been absolutely dominated by race relations, and for many LGBT, their anonymity was sort of blessing, as the national discourse flew over their heads. With majority of national drama revolving around black-white relations in the new modern South AFrica. It almost became a downside when gay rights became visible, and a more international talking point from 2010-2012 onward, especially when the leadup years to 2015 when gay rights became formally recognized (in marriage) in the cultural megaphone of Burgerland. Being in the open now became a double edged blade.

In south Africa woman's rights tended to be a weird issue, many women hold high positions in RSA gov, but the discrimination on local levels are still rife. Example: During the pandemic Lockdown, the amount of wifebeating became so fricking prevalent in black communities that President Ramaphosa had to officially address the nation after pressure

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/13/south-africas-ramaphosa-blasts-despicable-crime-wave-during-coronavirus-lockdown.html

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-06-18-gender-based-violence-is-south-africas-second-pandemic-says-ramaphosa/

Gender violence is also still a rife issue in South Africa.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10091185/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/11/24/south-africa-broken-promises-aid-gender-based-violence-survivors

South Africa has been mentioned to be one of the R*pe Capitals of the world, because of the staggering about of sexual violence taken place onto women in the country, and in which the vast majority of the cases left unresolved by our corrupt and incompetent police forces.

https://tears.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/presentation.pdf

https://www.news24.com/life/relationships/love/her_story/violence-against-women-is-staggeringly-high-in-south-africa-20221202

"There are many contested theories" Lmoa. You guys will notice that many many many of these articles which address the shocking and disproportionate r*pes and gender violence occurring in South Africa have all these whishy washy takes, and attempts to diagnose the root cause of RSA's uniquely high rate of s*x violence. And all of them. All of fricking them, always fail to put their finger on the pulse.

Here is a moronic libtard list from the above news24 article, going into high detail about underlying social and psycological causes for the r*pe epidemic in South Africa.

I'll tell you dramastrags the open secret: guess which demographic commits the overwhelming amount of these sexual violence in South Africa That's right.

The reality is that is that much of South Africa's Bantu culture is still very patriarch focused, and extremely tribal. When I had to study for my Land Surveying articles for example - some of my Acts which I had to memorize for the examinations were the following:

What act 28 of 1996 and Act 11 of 2004 basically says in Layman's terms is that many black communities like Zulus and Xhosas in their homelands, do not have to follow through with certain sets of RSA constitutional law if the said community decides that the RSA government infringes upon their autonomy. Meaning they don't always have to adhere to the government's resolutions. This was a highly desired act from the Mandela Administration in reaction to the Apartheid era laws, and there was good intention behind those Acts.

But what it practically means on the ground level is that many communities can tell authority to frick off, for better or worse, and don't have to adhere to legal rights from the rest of the nation. Tribal leaders, patriarchs and digaans get to decide whom owns what piece of land, whom lives in what stand, it's highly rigid.

You thus have this paradoxical parallel societies running adjacent while in the same country for many people, and even with all its supposed leftwing and liberal values, the ANC has never once dared touch these Acts as Xhosas and Zulus form their greatest and most potent voting bases.

An example to what it means for me as a Land surveyor when i worked in Limpopo province, was that even though the national Cadaster of recorded land in South Africa accurately recorded every stand and farm to their exact boundaries, we could not just go and measure any land close to homelands, and could not place any pegs of markers without agreement from the local chieftan or patriarch. What would often happen is that a Tswana farmer would sneakily take his cattle to graze over his neighbours' farm. When we were called in to demarcate and unambiguously show where exactly the boundaries lie for fencing, there would be a row, because suddenly the cattle herder's grazing potential area has been halved. And many of these guys preferred boundaries to remain as ambiguous as possible

So if ever we found that our modern GPS surveys disagreed with what boundaries they deemed were the reality, then if we did not reach an agreement with the patriarch, we could be in trouble. They could refer back to the 1996 Act 28 that their custom land was being repressed, and from that point any further operation would be in the gutter.

I go to lengths to talk about this to show how nebulous the enforcement of any actual police in cultural or communal land can be compared to the big cities, and why such degrees of legal grey areas foster actual illegal behaviour such as s*x violence. Combine that with a very rigid tribal set of customs, and hyper religious focus, and lastly many many communities living in abject poverty = you suddenly have large swaths of people to whom the notion of women's rights, let alone fricking gay rights are non-existent.

And because black peeps have never been called to improve upon their views and behaviours, specifically they had no reason to, and thus didn't. When prez Ramaphoza spoke to South Africans during covid lockdowns, as to implore his countrymen to overcome the sweeping wave of wifebeating which had increased to such shocking levels after months of confinement, we all know exactly who the majority perpetrators were. But since specific callouts to bad behaviour never happens, nothing ever changes, nothing ever gets addressed at the core, nothing improves, over and over and over.

It's not that there are no black liberals in any amount in South Africa, it's just a degree of averages. And since the majority of their efforts for the past few decades had been to adress the inequality based on race, especially the ever present disparity between blacks and whites, that it may seem that their platforms championed by the mainline ANC party and other black rights groups, that these black liberal views reflect that of the average black person in RSA.

But your misunderstanding would soon be rectified once these same black feminists and black gay rights activists turned their attention and activism inward. There are few things more nuclear than watching African people explode at the mention - the audacity to mention! - that they too can be bigoted towards other groups.

Which brings us full circle back to the /r/Africa post from 4 months ago. Cuz its the perfect example about how these slapfights between black africans often go.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Africa/comments/102h2rq/homophobia_africas_moral_blind_spot/

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/5/6/homophobia-africas-moral-blind-spot

"Homophobia: Africa’s moral blind spot." Spicy! An article calling out homophobia, specifically the kind from black africans, by a black african. No western liberals trying to push their values onto other nations - this is written by an african liberal calling out the hypocracy of Africans not addressing their own bigotry against even lesser group powerless. I'm certain /r/African denizens will take this calmly

Exhibit A - It's always the colonial's fault

https://old.reddit.com/r/Africa/comments/102h2rq/homophobia_africas_moral_blind_spot/j2tgcc1/

actual Nigerian in Nigeria counters

The thread then descends into /r/badhistory bullshit, and I'm not a historian so I can't comment on who here is the most full of shit

https://old.reddit.com/r/Africa/comments/102h2rq/homophobia_africas_moral_blind_spot/j2t3zef/

"Coming from those filthy Arabs?!"

https://old.reddit.com/r/Africa/comments/102h2rq/homophobia_africas_moral_blind_spot/j2tksrh/

Diaspora strags takes things personal as always

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Some bitching about who in Middle East of Africa gets more harshly critiqued for yeeting gays off of rooftops

https://old.reddit.com/r/Africa/comments/102h2rq/homophobia_africas_moral_blind_spot/j2ub7g9/

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This moron doesn't realize the author is a black african

https://old.reddit.com/r/Africa/comments/102h2rq/homophobia_africas_moral_blind_spot/j2tbgux/

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https://old.reddit.com/r/Africa/comments/102h2rq/homophobia_africas_moral_blind_spot/j2vwndl/

"You cannot be anti white supremacy and anti colonial and be homophobic at the same time." /r/Africa takes exception to that!

Anyways that's all i got, Good night!