@Gruesy_Spoon's comment on 'Vladimir Putin (R-Moscow) bans :marseytrain2:ing Out in Russia (:marseysneed: Inside!)'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/24/vladimir-putin-signs-law-banning-gender-changes-in-russia

Vladimir V. Putin (R-Moscow) has signed legislation banning Gender Transitions in the Russian Federation. Let's see the responses!

/r/anime_titties (SFW geopolitics sub for some inane reason)

Let's start off with the basics: LITERALLY HITLER :marseyhitler:

☒ Blame a minority group for all of your problems

☐ Invade Poland

☒ Invade another European country

☒ Have a bunker where you can comfortably shoot yourself when all goes down

Kind of out of order, but he is getting on the footsteps of his idol.

:marseyleftoidschizo:

It's both remarkable and sadly not that surprising anymore how often American conservative values and ideas seem to perfectly align with the Russians. I'm sure there's some cross similarity in right wing parties in other countries as well, though I must admit I'm not as well versed.

everyone thinks i am crazy but i don't think its an accident. russia has been manipulating american public opinion and american politics for nearly a decade using social media. i think the west is a lot more resistant to that sort of thing now but it has done considerable damage.

:marseyleftoidschizo: vs. :!marseyrightoidschizo:

You forgot Stalin and Mao. I wonder why

Convincing the population that there is some danger they need protection from is historically the easiest way to get people to give up their freedom.

This even occurs in countries that aren't dictatorships, because inventing enemies is a very powerful way of shifting priorities and the people's attention to something else

Yes like west did with covid, especially Canada Australia and Austria. It worked great and we saw how easy it was to turn on your neighbors like the nazis did.

LOL imagine being one of those r-slurs who compares what happened with Covid to Nazis.

But then you're the dumbass who says some shit about "women being incapable of handling rejection", so I can't be surprised of your ignorance.

People like you are literal kitties who fear everything, while warping reality to pretend you're always right.

:marseybong: :marseytrans2: :marseytransgenocide:

/r/TransgenderUK

Time to stop comparing the Tories to Nazis... it's Putin now

Yes, they finally banned us.

While the Nazi comparisons are still uncanny in so many respects, the Tories' de facto ban on transition isn't far off Putin's actual one in the present day so I will, henceforth, be comparing the former to the dictator waging war on the edge of Europe.

Here's hoping this'll make the Tories feel a bit warier of using us as scapegoats & distractions while they continue to trash the UK, and give the other parties a bigger stick to beat them with.

Oh, I know, I wasn't implying that at all but I feel like, when I'm trying to get cis people to give a f**, my rhetoric has been having *less impact the more the Tories behave like Nazis because no matter how similar 1923 feels to 2023 their denial just seems to get stronger.

Putin, however, is right here in the present day, and much harder to deny.

I've already heard people from the USA call us "the Florida of Europe" and that's so close to the bone it hurts.

/r/worldnews

:marseytransattentionseeker: BUT MUH TRIBES!

"western anti-family ideology"

Siberian shamanist tribes had trans women

In fact, familial shamanism (having a female or trans woman shaman in the family that was married both to a spirit and a human husband) was considered important and honorable, and brought families together.

Well, Russia wiped most of them out through a combination of introducing new diseases and extreme violence during expansion, much like was done in the Americas, so they likely don't consider that an extant factor in Russian culture :/

It's frustrating because a bunch of ancient peoples around Kiev and eastward all had trans folks in their early history, but Russian imperial and later communist revisionism deleted a ton of info (similarly further west, there's so much history that's just outright gone because the only copies were all collected in Hirschfeld's institute before it was burned to the ground; there just is no replacement). We barely have a good grasp of the history of the Rus, and if you dig deep enough, all you'll find is halfcocked theories built off of slight coincidences from sources that were notably not within the power of imperial or communist Russia to destroy.

We only know the above thing I linked because it was created before the Bolsheviks could fully get a grasp on censoring it away.

The destruction of our history in the past 150 years has been an absolute incalculable loss to so many communities, trans folks very much included... And it allows for some both funny and disgusting appropriation...

Perhaps the Siberians are not considered Russian... But there has been a (rather distasteful to some) campaign to count ancient Scythians among the societies and people that become Rus since the 1700s. Even Putin himself has claimed this. The Russians have gone so far as to fire on and destroy Scythian tombs in Ukrainian territory during the invasion to try and bury evidence that anyone besides Russia are the inheritors of Scythian history... And the Scythians also definitely had trans priestesses, and perhaps even trans male warriors, and perhaps even the first known example of HRT (no, the mare-in-heat piss drinking theory was not true, but chewing raw licorice root for the testosterone suppressant effect definitely was)...

:marseysoycry:

So when can we just ship the whole GOP to Russia?

Eastern Euro libtard meets him, 15 years later:

That's too bad. I think adults should have every right to choose what feels right for them and I wish them all well and hope it brings about the peace they are looking for.

Of course in the west I get called "far right" for not supporting hormones and mastectomies for children, but in Eastern Europe I'M the flaming liberal for supporting gay marriage and believing this. 😄

You just can't win with absolutists and fanatics. It's always "you're either in agreement with us 100% or you're the enemy!" 😬

There's no nuance, no room for reason or good faith discussion. I hate fanatics with a passion, they ARE the cause of our problems, whether it be far right or far left, but even saying that much usually gets you outcast because you don't WANT to play the stupid toxic reindeer games of partisan politics and be a political puppet shill. 😞

You're not far right for not wanting children to have mastecs. You're just an idiot for believing that's happening. You lack knowledge and nuance, and call others out for it. Get bent mate

Please do not force OP to get bent.

/r/Transgender

Top comment is just :marseyfedpostglow: :marseyrussiaglow: , a literal call to assassinate President Vladimir V. Putin (R-Moscow)

A bullet should ban Vladimir Putin from being alive.

Good idea…

:marseytranspearlclutch: :marseysoycry: :marseytransgenocide:

Sad day for Russia, with so many in power living in denial of the reality of the need for such healthcare, simply because it doesn't match their expectations for how reality is "supposed" to be.

Leftoid schizo blames GOP actions against :marseytrain2: s in the US on Russia, only to be shown up by a blaming Russian actions against s on the GOP and Evangelicals.

Also, it's obvious to me that Putin has been working very hard to influence the US in exactly the same way.

To add some context, this puts into law a de facto situation that has existed for a long time now.

It should lead to no more than a continuation of the extermination of trans people in Russia that's been happening over the last few years, but now with more possibilities to substantiate refugee status and get the heck out of Moskva.

--

Read up on the World Congress of Families, which has extensive links to the Russian government and Orthodox Church.

The World Congress of Families are these guys, and this is a take stolen straight from Anatoly Karlin.

Yet another :marseyleftoidschizo:

Putin is the real head of the Republican Party.

/r/Transmedical

This is a sub for "Transmeds", or :marseytrain2: s that rely on medicalization legitimacy rather than Self-ID, and attempt to excise "Trenders" from the Trans movement.

Vladimir Putin Signs Law Banning Gender Changes in Russia

I feel so sad for transsexuals in Russia, now and for their future. This is what happens when Gender Dysphoria ceased to be a medical condition and became part of gender ideology, lumped in with gay rights.

Russia has never been a safe haven for most of the queer community. But still, I was surprised and saddened that it has come this far.

Simping for a :marseytrain2: doctor/SRS Surgeon by the name of Dr. Will Powers (who runs a subreddit called /r/DrWillPowers and is /u/Drwillpowers)

Russia is still considering transsexualism as a medical condition. They just consider it as a mental illness, group transsexuals with libertarians and treat both with therapy.

I think Will Powers is absolutely right about the key issue: trassexualism should be considered a medical condition, but an endocrinal condition, not a psychiatric one. And he's even giving a draft of the endocrinal profile of transsexual people (the Meyer-Powers syndrome), which means it could be diagnosed with a bloodwork and a genetic test.

I remember seeing Dr. Powers post on here a couple of times. It seems like he's always been on the side of transsexuals, not just in the sense of providing us with treatment, but seeking to truly understand transsexualism and how it works. People need to listen to him; he probably knows more than anyone else right now.

He is truly phenomenal. His research brings me a grain of hope for the future. His practice PFM is one of the only places I have ever felt comfortable being treated.

He'll definitely make a name for himself in terms of research into transsexualism, I'm sure. And I really hope he does, because he's the exact sort of person that we need.

Why not just kneejerk hate him like everyone else? Besides, if we can measure transsexualism, making up genders becomes way more difficult to defend!

Do people actually hate him? I always figured he was liked even amongst all the weird people.

:marseytrain2: sneeding about :marseytransattentionseeker: "Tucutes" (what Transmeds call non-transmed Trans supporters and non-dysphoric Transes)

i hate it even more because of the fact that the only existing russian "trans" community is made by tucute girls in tiktok with the bunch of pride flags on pfps who are "joking" about "cis are not people" and literally wishing death to everyone who disagree with them, so even a lot of lgb people are against us and support this law because of what image trans people have here. this mix of the insane trans trend and transphobic as frick society and goverment is so sick that i really can't.

I knew a Russian girl in her late 20s once. Not only did her mother wish for the Soviet Union to return, but being stealth at a house party, we somehow got to talking about LGBT stuff.

She got so heated up about transgender people. She told me, "Even drag queens are better than trans... at the end of the day, they at least know that they are men!!"

I was mortified, especially being at the passive end of the conversation. It definitely did not make me want out my history even more.

For a country where homosexuality could get jail time (I don't know if this is the case now), Putin has made his country worse, especially for people like us. I have always wanted to visit Russia, especially in Eastern Russia... but with a law like this, I wouldn't even dare now.

:marseyputin: does NOT believe in Chaser rights! :marseytranspearlclutch:

Omg. This is the worst law change we've seen.

It bans hrt and even annuls marriages where one person had their gender changed. So someone married for 30 years will all the sudden be un married because one person changed their gender at soms point.

God. This is so fricked up.

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BussyAtomSmasher bussy/blaster BLM / QUEERS FOR PALESTINE 1yr ago #4743119

there were tons of trans tribal Russians

This is the lamest cope they can come up with

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HollyJollyJihad Hazzard/County :marseysteaming:

BussyAtomSmasher 1yr ago #4743519

A lot of primitive peoples worldwide had a distinct societal role for effeminate homos, and that's now being wishfully interpreted as evidence of historical :marseytrain2: ery.

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Gruesy_Spoon check/bio Que sera, sera HollyJollyJihad 1yr ago #4744069

Implying that :marseytrain2: ery isn't another variety of seeking a social role for femmes, just now with a different understanding of what that can encompass

Queer shit's weird, you don't gotta understand it.

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Gruesy_Spoon 1yr ago #4745291

I could see that as an explanation for the HST types, but it doesn't explain the 45 year old giga hon transbians built like a linebacker.

Gruesy_Spoon check/bio Que sera, sera HollyJollyJihad 1yr ago #4745526

Some things changed, some stayed the same, imo. It's not a line it's a tree.

Gruesy_Spoon check/bio Que sera, sera BussyAtomSmasher 1yr ago #4744048

Too bad, it's good enough.

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