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OP doesnt have the banner, but I've stalked his comments and he's a westoid 
"As Africans we have our share of terror, oppression, colonisation. I notice during these few days of events happening in Palestine that Africans either do not care because let's face it we have our own ongoing issues or are somehow unaffected by media biases. The shock that is felt by the west for the turn of balance in power of the two parties is surprising to them." 
He's referring to the fact that isreal has significant support from western nations, especially the traditional colonial nations like Bongland
"It might come out heartless but for me personally war is war. " 
"The war was happening long before these recent events right? the fact that it is now affecting both sides doesn't move me." 
"I condemn this situation overall 
it is needless to say no one want people to die, not just civilians but military too, but from what my country had gone through, for peace to happen I believe both sides need to gain power to actually be able to negotiate and in the real world it happens through confrontation, Does this make sense?"
"Do you guys as Africans just don't find it shocking that an oppressed group had had enough and that there is war in an originally unstable country?" 
"Is it that we are immune to bs and media manipulation because of our history?" AHAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAH AHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA 
right sorry, to the stellar high IQ comments
Also since this is the perpetual rebuttal against the fact that Palestinians have been the ones who rejected 2 state solutions for past 7 decades, both op and top comment emphasize this:
"I believe both sides need to gain power to actually be able to negotiate" 
"No one really wants to discuss this openly in the media but that's a huge part of it. The fear, the terror, the hostages, have arguably given Palestine a power they've not seen in years. But it's very sad that this is the only way they've seen potential to gain power."
Palestenoids have been offered EXACTly equal divisions by landmass by western arbiters despite being the unequal fricks in the room 3 TIMES! And rejected it each time as they've always wanted all of it.
"it's mind boggling to me how people cannot see who the oppressors are here. We look back at the holocaust and know who the bad guys were. We look at apartheid and see clearly who the bad guys were. We look at UKRAINE and see who the bad guys are but for some reason, there are so many people who are looking at this and supporting the oppressors. I do not get it. It is disheartening" the situation is black and white u guysz
200 IQ diaspora cucks tells us the solution is simple
diasporacucks tells us Hamas r wholesome
"We've always heard these stories from colonial occupiers about an impending mass killing of settlers should freedom arrive and you know it never happens. The reason-for-being of Hamas is resistance against the Israeli colonial state and its continued atrocities against Palestinian people. That's where it draws its support from. End the occupation and Hamas will go out with it."
HAMAS NOT REPRESENTATIVE PALESTINIAN PEOPLES
Our boi SS1452 fighting the good fight alone 
Only one lone Nigerian has braincels
"All these BS stories we tell ourselves about righteous resistance to the oppressors means nothing if you've destroyed any incentive for compromise.The civilian toll of this, the highest number of Jewish deaths since 1945 had ensured Israel WILL not compromise. Gaza will be erased.
There is no “power balance” here anymore than the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour gave the Japanese a power balance with the Americans or 9/11 convinced the US to respect Al Quedas res quests to leave the Middle East. It would have been ridiculous to expect such. Death and Destruction are what's in store now.
The reason Apartheid was able to end in SA wasn't because the ANC and black South Africans more broadly gained “power” over the Apartheid government by kidnapping and massacring white South African civilians. In fact the precise opposite, the conviction that White South Africans had nothing to fear from the end of Apartheid other than finally needing to treat everyone equally was what won the day. Many on both sides still resisted with bot grievance against injustice and fear of retribution. But they were in minority, and they lost. Leading to one of the greatest moments in modern human history."
This upsets the others
But our chadlord 
is immune to virtue signalling nonsense
==="My brother, There is nothing I nor anyone can demand from the Palestinians. And even less that can be done for them. Because ultimately Israel's “rights” do not matter. They're a fricking state.
What matters is the fact that the State of Israel, Nuclear armed and pissed as frick, possesses the ability to erase Gaza and no one is going to stand in their way now. Not even big daddy USA says stop.
And this is the problem with viewing this conflict as a moral one. It is not. What motivates the state of Israel is not any question of the morality of their actions or the motives but rather the thing that has motivated Jews since 1945 the desire that never be victimized again, even if that means they have to be the ones at the other end.
What is moral cannot fry a bowl of Akara right now. The fact of the matter Israel controls the entirety of the territory right now and that is the frame we are working from. Not some idealized frame of power balances and “rights”.
And this is why shows me that most people don't actually care about the Palestinians but rather sending a message on their own personal morality and ensuring they everyone knows they're on the “right side”. 
marseyitsover: is disgusting but more importantly it is pointless. I am eternally grateful the ANC and RSA went a different route.
He responds to "The degree to which you drink the Western koolaid (right down to your username) is genuinely worrying."
And this here is just absurd. Often times when no one has an argument to make against the points I make they go to this which is especially funny considering my Username is actually meant to make fun of those who simp for long dead empires and tell themselves stories of “heroes” vanquishing “monsters” and “civilization” fight against “barbarism”.
Back from the time when Reddit was MUCH more white and western than it is now. But y'all are often too young to remember and in a fit of emotional immaturity when having no arguments go straight to Ad Hominems rather than addressing the core question.
He responds to "You are standing around cheering for people that will turn their weapons on any of us as soon as it is convenient."
lol 🤦🏾♂️. Again pure drivel and projection at this point from someone with a profound level of immaturity. If you actually read what I wrote you would see this makes even less than no sense.======
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"And therein lies the problem You would never see me accuse you of not being a real African because I disagree with you. Yet often times it is the retort of those with nothing better to say. I can recognize Africans, in this case both of us being Nigerians can have RADICALLY different views on a subject fot a variety of legitimately held reasons. That's what maturity is.
And so call me every denegrating name in the book from a servant to westerners and an American troll simply because I hold different views on the affects of state power and the consequence that has PRACTICALLY for the lives of Palestinians, shows more your unwillingness to actually engage with the core disagreement which can be had without calling everyone you disagree with little better than a colonial subject.
I am Nigerian, born raised and live, and I don't need you to tell me who I am or not. Especially when in all likelihood you are most likely projecting.
I hope you are mature enough to see I am not repeating talking points heard somewhere and chanting “death to Palestine” as I sleep simply because I disagree with you, clearly others can see it. Chill out and understand what I am actually saying rather than the identity you have been projecting unto me. Peace ✌🏾" 
The above nigerian is probably a patient 40 year old talking to a smug 18 year old lol
"nothing is more ridiculous and insulting than the "bOtH sIdes" crowd. Sir, one side is committing genocide and the other is suffering it. It's obvious one side has choice and the other not." 
Sir, sir, EXCUSE me SIR, but centrism is nazism!
Are you joking right now?
So Gaza must be ran by the very people who made it a concentration camp, and the victims of genocide and ethnic cleansing must "be friends" with the ones committing genocide against them. And mindbogglingly... the dispossessed must "give up something" (what? what's left?) to the people who dispossessed them?
Westerners infected your brain. You'd never say this about your own country's colonizers.
"I did not ask about your philosophy, I asked about your solution" 
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Whatever the opposite of Shitlibs, pol strags and muslims are and makes them sneed the most.
In all seriousness, it is one of the most morally complex situations put before humanity, and anyone who says otherwise is an r-slur or a teenager.
You can argue the shitshow started when the British in their desperate global war against the Axis in WW2 promised whatever they could to everyone in the Middle East to desperately drum up support as Rommel was collapsing their lines in the North African Campaign, often promising conflicting concessions or land to ethnic groups, and sometimes mutually exclusive things, such as their most infamous promise to both Jews and Palestinians autonomy of isreal.
Only after the war was won against the Axis, and cooler, less desperate heads could come to the fore did the Bongs realize to their horror the ethnic timebomb they had created by giving conflicting promises to both palestinians and Jews.
Alternatively you could say this shitshow started 2000 years ago when the Roman governer, sick of the Jewish monotheism, and fanaticism dispersed the isrealites in their most historic and defeat, and scattered the Jews into the winds of Eurasia. After the decline of the Romans, the Jews would have various attempts to go back to their homelands from Russia Siberia, all the way from England, yet the political instability and religious extremism of the region would end up with the jews scattered and dispersed from the holy land over and over and over for like 2000 fricking years.
The diverseness of jews also meant that not enough of them ever returned at once in one big volume to ever not even be a numeric minority in palestine, and many jewish communities would also have found new homes in places like Poland or Spain or germany. It's a long long history.
Additionally 2000 years of jew hatred also meant that the jews could never gather to ever not be a minority everywhere else, as they were in direct conflict with Christianity and from the 5th century onwards, Islam as well.
Caught between their own isolation and between these 2 forces the jews would remain a fledeling people for 2k years in europa until the Enlightment age, where their treatment would improve, yet jew hatred never went away.
Fats forward by the end of the Holocaust, many jews had been surprised that europeans had descended into such industrial barbarism, especially as places like Germany had been seen as cultural enlightenment , and improved civility against jews, yet worse was the continent widespread complicity the euros had in ratting out their neighbours and murdering their jewish countrymen.
Many of the holocaust survivors had been mindraped by this trauma, and considred the only way to ever avoid oppression would be a jewish state, they could never againg rely upon the good will of their countrymen, no matter how well they integrated.
And the foundation of this almost religious zealotry was to go back to the holy land. For the 1st time in 2 k years, enough of a surge of jews globally, and from eurasia would decent upon isreal, to find a new home. And their was global motivation and forces at work.
From 1900s-1945 there had already been a sizable jewish community living in relative harmony with their muslim neighbours,
No other group had such meticulous reccords of their ancestral land from which they had been displaced time and again
However, Isreal had not remained empty in those 2000 years, the holy land had changed hands at least once a century between factions, nation states and religions, and by 1945 an arab group descended from these various conquests called it home, eking out an existence where no formal nation state controlled the land definitively.
At 1st the palestinans lived harmoneiously with jews.
But by 1900s the jewsish inflow grew such that palestinians feared they would be outnumbered. This fear would become reality post WW2, as an unprecidented millions of holocaust jewish survivors and refugees immigrated to the land in the span of a few years. This would ignite the ethnic tensions Balkan style, as the palestinians believed the Jews were colonizaing the land around them.
However prior to british rule, it was mostly the Ottomans who had a very hands off approach to the region so as to rule as sovereign easily, when the british inherited the Holy land, there was no real nation state under palestine, only centuries old arabic settlers and farmers.
So there was no centralized palestinian authority. The jews only saw themselves moving onto empty arid desert land, not realizing they were filling up a void which the palestinians interpreted as colinization .
It didn't help that american jews were sponsoring the relocation attempts, as zionism took a primary ideology - to reistablish a modern isreal, the only way to safe gaurd jews evermore post atrocities of the holocaust.
Burgerland and Bongland had conflicting ideas on how to deal with this schism, and thus further contributed to the confusion, which made the Arab world think the west was complicit in a lrage conspiracy to take Jerusalem away from them.
If only the jews had all settled in an empty dustball state in Burgerland , all this would have been avoided, but alas Jerusalem was in fricking Iseal.
When in 1948 the UN referendum gave Isreal statehood, the arab world combined declared war on Isreal at once, and worse, their decades long Neighbours threw in their lot with the arabs, basically becomming 5th columists.
In a war against extinction, the isrealis would have their hearts hardened. The arabs lost the 1948 war, and the palestinians fled, into adjacent countries or small alcoves like Gaza, fearing isreali reprisal., which wasn't an unfounded fear.
And from this point there had always been an endless moral quandary about who was the most right and wrong, in endless circular arguments.
The isreai often mistreated palestinians, and had them registered as 2nd class citizens
But they had to as the palestinians were literal 5th columists acting in the 1948 arab genocide atttempt.
But its been 70 years, the children of those traitors in 1948 doesnt deserves the sins of their fathers
But 70% or some high number of palestinians support jihad and would kill palestinians if they allowed them into isreal proper.
But the mistreatment is what is pumping up those numbers
HAMAS ISN'T PALESTINE
ISREAL IS AN APARTHEID STATE
And on and on and on and on into a never ending cycle.
I must confess that I am particularly biased in favour of isreal and would have been, even if i hadn't hated shitlibs and people who appeal to emotional virtue signalling instead of attempting solutions, because Palestine had been fricking offered many times more than 10, with 3 VERY serious brokerages of a TWO state solution, where the UN would carve up the country equally for both a jew and arab state, including division of Jerusalem.
But everytime palestinoids chose their hatred of jews over love for their children, thus my heart has been hardened against palestinians . However i do still admit that the situation is morally complex, painful and
WHat if white canadian would have to be forced away from their homes after living there for 100 years, because the houses had been built over traditional indian lands?
On the other hand what if those traditional instead of waiting for the reparations of homeland genocided white modern canadians, and then lost the war.
On the other hand.....
It has never been simple
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Darn.
Honestly, dropping a whole post in a reply comment feels a bit like a waste with how much engagement it can potentially get for the effort. Unless you plan to paste it any time someone asks you about your opinion on Sandshit, that is.
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dw I also gave it the stab award so it's basically unreadable now
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Whatever the opposite of Shitlibs, pol strags and muslims are and makes them sneed the most.
In all seriousness, it is one of the most morally complex situations put before humanity, and anyone who says otherwise is an r-slur or a teenager.
You can argue the shitshow started when the British in their desperate global war against the Axis in WW2 promised whatever they could to everyone in the Middle East to desperately drum up support as Rommel was collapsing their lines in the North African Campaign, often promising conflicting concessions or land to ethnic groups, and sometimes mutually exclusive things, such as their most infamous promise to both Jews and Palestinians autonomy of isreal.
Only after the war was won against the Axis, and cooler, less desperate heads could come to the fore did the Bongs realize to their horror the ethnic timebomb they had created by giving conflicting promises to both palestinians and Jews.
Alternatively you could say this shitshow started 2000 years ago when the Roman governer, sick of the Jewish monotheism, and fanaticism dispersed the isrealites in their most historic and defeat, and scattered the Jews into the winds of Eurasia. After the decline of the Romans, the Jews would have various attempts to go back to their homelands from Russia Siberia, all the way from England, yet the political instability and religious extremism of the region would end up with the jews scattered and dispersed from the holy land over and over and over for like 2000 fricking years.
The diverseness of jews also meant that not enough of them ever returned at once in one big volume to ever not even be a numeric minority in palestine, and many jewish communities would also have found new homes in places like Poland or Spain or germany. It's a long long history.
Additionally 2000 years of jew hatred also meant that the jews could never gather to ever not be a minority everywhere else, as they were in direct conflict with Christianity and from the 5th century onwards, Islam as well.
Caught between their own isolation and between these 2 forces the jews would remain a fledeling people for 2k years in europa until the Enlightment age, where their treatment would improve, yet jew hatred never went away.
Fats forward by the end of the Holocaust, many jews had been surprised that europeans had descended into such industrial barbarism, especially as places like Germany had been seen as cultural enlightenment , and improved civility against jews, yet worse was the continent widespread complicity the euros had in ratting out their neighbours and murdering their jewish countrymen.
Many of the holocaust survivors had been mindraped by this trauma, and considred the only way to ever avoid oppression would be a jewish state, they could never againg rely upon the good will of their countrymen, no matter how well they integrated.
And the foundation of this almost religious zealotry was to go back to the holy land. For the 1st time in 2 k years, enough of a surge of jews globally, and from eurasia would decent upon isreal, to find a new home. And their was global motivation and forces at work.
From 1900s-1945 there had already been a sizable jewish community living in relative harmony with their muslim neighbours,
No other group had such meticulous reccords of their ancestral land from which they had been displaced time and again
However, Isreal had not remained empty in those 2000 years, the holy land had changed hands at least once a century between factions, nation states and religions, and by 1945 an arab group descended from these various conquests called it home, eking out an existence where no formal nation state controlled the land definitively.
At 1st the palestinans lived harmoneiously with jews.
But by 1900s the jewsish inflow grew such that palestinians feared they would be outnumbered. This fear would become reality post WW2, as an unprecidented millions of holocaust jewish survivors and refugees immigrated to the land in the span of a few years. This would ignite the ethnic tensions Balkan style, as the palestinians believed the Jews were colonizaing the land around them.
However prior to british rule, it was mostly the Ottomans who had a very hands off approach to the region so as to rule as sovereign easily, when the british inherited the Holy land, there was no real nation state under palestine, only centuries old arabic settlers and farmers.
So there was no centralized palestinian authority. The jews only saw themselves moving onto empty arid desert land, not realizing they were filling up a void which the palestinians interpreted as colinization .
It didn't help that american jews were sponsoring the relocation attempts, as zionism took a primary ideology - to reistablish a modern isreal, the only way to safe gaurd jews evermore post atrocities of the holocaust.
Burgerland and Bongland had conflicting ideas on how to deal with this schism, and thus further contributed to the confusion, which made the Arab world think the west was complicit in a lrage conspiracy to take Jerusalem away from them.
If only the jews had all settled in an empty dustball state in Burgerland , all this would have been avoided, but alas Jerusalem was in fricking Iseal.
When in 1948 the UN referendum gave Isreal statehood, the arab world combined declared war on Isreal at once, and worse, their decades long Neighbours threw in their lot with the arabs, basically becomming 5th columists.
In a war against extinction, the isrealis would have their hearts hardened. The arabs lost the 1948 war, and the palestinians fled, into adjacent countries or small alcoves like Gaza, fearing isreali reprisal., which wasn't an unfounded fear.
And from this point there had always been an endless moral quandary about who was the most right and wrong, in endless circular arguments.
The isreai often mistreated palestinians, and had them registered as 2nd class citizens
But they had to as the palestinians were literal 5th columists acting in the 1948 arab genocide atttempt.
But its been 70 years, the children of those traitors in 1948 doesnt deserves the sins of their fathers
But 70% or some high number of palestinians support jihad and would kill palestinians if they allowed them into isreal proper.
But the mistreatment is what is pumping up those numbers
HAMAS ISN'T PALESTINE
ISREAL IS AN APARTHEID STATE
And on and on and on and on into a never ending cycle.
I must confess that I am particularly biased in favour of isreal and would have been, even if i hadn't hated shitlibs and people who appeal to emotional virtue signalling instead of attempting solutions, because Palestine had been fricking offered many times more than 10, with 3 VERY serious brokerages of a TWO state solution, where the UN would carve up the country equally for both a jew and arab state, including division of Jerusalem.
But everytime palestinoids chose their hatred of jews over love for their children, thus my heart has been hardened against palestinians . However i do still admit that the situation is morally complex, painful and
WHat if white canadian would have to be forced away from their homes after living there for 100 years, because the houses had been built over traditional indian lands?
On the other hand what if those traditional instead of waiting for the reparations of homeland genocided white modern canadians, and then lost the war.
On the other hand.....
It has never been simple
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nah not really
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ok smart guy
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thanks, I thought I'd offer a different, but similarly comprehensive perspective
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don't make me do it again bb
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Whatever the opposite of Shitlibs, pol strags and muslims are and makes them sneed the most.
In all seriousness, it is one of the most morally complex situations put before humanity, and anyone who says otherwise is an r-slur or a teenager.
You can argue the shitshow started when the British in their desperate global war against the Axis in WW2 promised whatever they could to everyone in the Middle East to desperately drum up support as Rommel was collapsing their lines in the North African Campaign, often promising conflicting concessions or land to ethnic groups, and sometimes mutually exclusive things, such as their most infamous promise to both Jews and Palestinians autonomy of isreal.
Only after the war was won against the Axis, and cooler, less desperate heads could come to the fore did the Bongs realize to their horror the ethnic timebomb they had created by giving conflicting promises to both palestinians and Jews.
Alternatively you could say this shitshow started 2000 years ago when the Roman governer, sick of the Jewish monotheism, and fanaticism dispersed the isrealites in their most historic and defeat, and scattered the Jews into the winds of Eurasia. After the decline of the Romans, the Jews would have various attempts to go back to their homelands from Russia Siberia, all the way from England, yet the political instability and religious extremism of the region would end up with the jews scattered and dispersed from the holy land over and over and over for like 2000 fricking years.
The diverseness of jews also meant that not enough of them ever returned at once in one big volume to ever not even be a numeric minority in palestine, and many jewish communities would also have found new homes in places like Poland or Spain or germany. It's a long long history.
Additionally 2000 years of jew hatred also meant that the jews could never gather to ever not be a minority everywhere else, as they were in direct conflict with Christianity and from the 5th century onwards, Islam as well.
Caught between their own isolation and between these 2 forces the jews would remain a fledeling people for 2k years in europa until the Enlightment age, where their treatment would improve, yet jew hatred never went away.
Fats forward by the end of the Holocaust, many jews had been surprised that europeans had descended into such industrial barbarism, especially as places like Germany had been seen as cultural enlightenment , and improved civility against jews, yet worse was the continent widespread complicity the euros had in ratting out their neighbours and murdering their jewish countrymen.
Many of the holocaust survivors had been mindraped by this trauma, and considred the only way to ever avoid oppression would be a jewish state, they could never againg rely upon the good will of their countrymen, no matter how well they integrated.
And the foundation of this almost religious zealotry was to go back to the holy land. For the 1st time in 2 k years, enough of a surge of jews globally, and from eurasia would decent upon isreal, to find a new home. And their was global motivation and forces at work.
From 1900s-1945 there had already been a sizable jewish community living in relative harmony with their muslim neighbours,
No other group had such meticulous reccords of their ancestral land from which they had been displaced time and again
However, Isreal had not remained empty in those 2000 years, the holy land had changed hands at least once a century between factions, nation states and religions, and by 1945 an arab group descended from these various conquests called it home, eking out an existence where no formal nation state controlled the land definitively.
At 1st the palestinans lived harmoneiously with jews.
But by 1900s the jewsish inflow grew such that palestinians feared they would be outnumbered. This fear would become reality post WW2, as an unprecidented millions of holocaust jewish survivors and refugees immigrated to the land in the span of a few years. This would ignite the ethnic tensions Balkan style, as the palestinians believed the Jews were colonizaing the land around them.
However prior to british rule, it was mostly the Ottomans who had a very hands off approach to the region so as to rule as sovereign easily, when the british inherited the Holy land, there was no real nation state under palestine, only centuries old arabic settlers and farmers.
So there was no centralized palestinian authority. The jews only saw themselves moving onto empty arid desert land, not realizing they were filling up a void which the palestinians interpreted as colinization .
It didn't help that american jews were sponsoring the relocation attempts, as zionism took a primary ideology - to reistablish a modern isreal, the only way to safe gaurd jews evermore post atrocities of the holocaust.
Burgerland and Bongland had conflicting ideas on how to deal with this schism, and thus further contributed to the confusion, which made the Arab world think the west was complicit in a lrage conspiracy to take Jerusalem away from them.
If only the jews had all settled in an empty dustball state in Burgerland , all this would have been avoided, but alas Jerusalem was in fricking Iseal.
When in 1948 the UN referendum gave Isreal statehood, the arab world combined declared war on Isreal at once, and worse, their decades long Neighbours threw in their lot with the arabs, basically becomming 5th columists.
In a war against extinction, the isrealis would have their hearts hardened. The arabs lost the 1948 war, and the palestinians fled, into adjacent countries or small alcoves like Gaza, fearing isreali reprisal., which wasn't an unfounded fear.
And from this point there had always been an endless moral quandary about who was the most right and wrong, in endless circular arguments.
The isreai often mistreated palestinians, and had them registered as 2nd class citizens
But they had to as the palestinians were literal 5th columists acting in the 1948 arab genocide atttempt.
But its been 70 years, the children of those traitors in 1948 doesnt deserves the sins of their fathers
But 70% or some high number of palestinians support jihad and would kill palestinians if they allowed them into isreal proper.
But the mistreatment is what is pumping up those numbers
HAMAS ISN'T PALESTINE
ISREAL IS AN APARTHEID STATE
And on and on and on and on into a never ending cycle.
I must confess that I am particularly biased in favour of isreal and would have been, even if i hadn't hated shitlibs and people who appeal to emotional virtue signalling instead of attempting solutions, because Palestine had been fricking offered many times more than 10, with 3 VERY serious brokerages of a TWO state solution, where the UN would carve up the country equally for both a jew and arab state, including division of Jerusalem.
But everytime palestinoids chose their hatred of jews over love for their children, thus my heart has been hardened against palestinians . However i do still admit that the situation is morally complex, painful and
WHat if white canadian would have to be forced away from their homes after living there for 100 years, because the houses had been built over traditional indian lands?
On the other hand what if those traditional instead of waiting for the reparations of homeland genocided white modern canadians, and then lost the war.
On the other hand.....
It has never been simple
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At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this site is now dumber for having read it. May God have mercy on your soul.
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This is a really long way of saying you don't frick.
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I do agree on the moral complexity, and I've definitely become less of a Zionist/settler/nazi over the years.
That being said there have been large Arab populations since 48 in places such as lod, Jaffa, Abu gosh etc who don't have to do army service and get their tuition paid for and single payer health care (socialist utopia).
What could possibly explain such a descrepancy?
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The slaves needs were fed and cared for and they had better lives than they could have provided for themselves
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slaves?
do you mean the agricultural consultants?
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I really feel like moralizing this conflict is stupid. Knowing the history is important to understanding the emotions of the people, but looking at it to provide solutions is ridiculous. When people argue about who has the best claim to the land it just comes off as unintentional feudal lord LARPing. The only thing that matters is solutions.
You have to look at it from a realistic perspective. Israelis aren't going to leave. Palestinians aren't going to leave. Neither side should be allowed to genocide the other. A compromise needs to be found. Which side I trust to make that the most fairly is obviously Israel. They actually have a real government and international support, it's a no brainer.
Hamas needs to be dismantled. Iran and other foreign entities using the Palestinians as pawns need to be cucked. Somehow, and this is definitely the hardest part, the Palestinian people need to be deradicalized.
Israel needs to be better, as well. Secularize their government, work to integrate the Palestinians into society, probably a little deradicalization themselves, etc.
How that all happens though I have no idea, but jews seem smart so I'm sure they can figure out something.
The morality just doesn't matter in this regard. Being more "right" is worthless when neither side actually benefits from it. The whole thing is just an exercise in mental gymnastics and a way to simplify a complex problem without actually engaging with it.
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Just move the Palestinians into the Sinai Penninsula. Give them their own enclave and say go make of it as you will. I dont understand the whole Sunni vs Shia thing, but the only other outcome at this point is Gaza is turned to glass. Israel has the military and political power to glass them and the Palestinians need to recognize that they've been utterly defeated.
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Lol, lmao even.
And relatively few of the founding Israelis were Holocaust survivors but instead had arrived in the 25 years before it. It was in large part an "I told you so" moment to the diasporacels for them.
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you're right i misspoke, but it was difficult to recall from memory to answer such a monumentally complex answer/situation
There were constant ethnic tensions, but it wasn't until Zionism became dominant with Holocaust survivors, that arab/paletsinians reacted with hostility and a perceived fear of colonization by jewish refugees from europe
I dont know the relationship between diaspora jews and refugees, i dont know that history
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This is not true, the Arabs were massacring Jews from the early 20s which resulted in the creation of militias that would later form the IDF.
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https://israelmyglory.org/article/the-arab-riots-of-the-1920s
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/arab-riots-of-the-1920-s
you talking about this?
:Arab nationalists were angered by British rule, in part because of Britain's 1917 Balfour Declaration that viewed “with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.” Encouraged by British Christians who favored the plan, the Balfour Declaration's allotment for a Jewish homeland approximated the biblical land grant. According to British historian Sir Martin Gilbert, “The total area of Arab lands in Arabia was 1,184,000 square miles. Palestine, the only portion of former Turkish territory set aside for a Jewish National Home, covered less than 11,000 square miles.”1 But even that tiny slice of territory was more than the Arabs were willing to let the Jews have.
Haj Amin al-Husseini, an Arab nationalist who had served in the Ottoman army and later partnered with Adolf Hitler, began organizing small groups of Arabs called fedayeen (Armenian, “those who sacrifice themselves” or “redeemers”). The fedayeen attacked Jewish farms in the Jordan Valley and Galilee, trying to discourage Jewish immigration and drive Jewish people from the land.
Most Jews were not intimidated. They organized themselves into paramilitary groups, one of which was the Haganah (Hebrew, “defense”), the forerunner of today's Israel Defense Forces."
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Yeah, some in the 30s too.
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Are you feeling okay bud?
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come on man
you really going to leave me at that, you making me feel like a tool
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Sorry I just closed rdrama and forgot I had any active conservations.
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This is false. Arabs were expelling/massacring Jews since the early 20th century.
Also the first president of Gaza as an independent entity was the Mufti (Hitler's buddy). Muslims have been super anti Jew (and pro-slaughter Jew) for a minute.
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I don't know that part of history
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what's this for
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Your
analysis, ‘tis very good. I read the entire thing even though I had to deal with the stab award 
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other guys telling me im a tool for the same comment, it hurts my feefees
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There wouldn't be many because most leafs live on land that was hardly, if ever, Injun land
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He's totally not racist (he can prove it because he loves Jews) and he'll piss on the corpse of every Palestinian baby to prove it. I'm not a psychiatrist but it seems this is how he lets his inner afrikaner emerge so it's at a safe distance from him.
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I support killing every Palestinian adult and giving the children to Israeli Muslin Arabs for
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But then again I am a lizard in human skin so what would I know?
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Savagery is the Afrikaner's shadow
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Lol Africans supporting Gaza. These were the same people who tried to sell their cousins a couple years ago for a handful of beads. Africans were the most slave-peepeeed people in history.
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The radical centrist take is that israel should nuke gaza with the strongest weapon in existence because theyd also be wiped out, resulting in a solution to the israel vs palestine wingcucking idiocy forever.
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The radical centrist take is this is a modern day flower war for the purpose of weapons testing, invest in Raytheon because cool tech is going to be produced in a couple of years with all the dead data.
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I applaud Israel's modern take on basic Keynesian economics: if a broken window improves gdp, we will see massive economic growth when we break entire buildings instead of windows. Invest in israeli construction companies instead of Raytheon, because even if this doesnt get dragged out you know for a fact that the reconstruction is going to be massive and successful since they will absolutely pay their new landlords.
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Who are going to be the landlords?
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"They paved Palestine, and put up a parking lot"
funny how the leftwings are literally chanting this
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Wait really?
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This but completely unironically. Y'all can't behave, clean up the thread israeljannies
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Bottom line is that most black people take sides in any given conflict based exclusively on which side seems the least white. If all sides are white (ie slavshit), they side with whomever is least aligned with western whites.
While black people seem naturally inclined to blame others for their collective problems, lib agitprop over the past 50 years (ironically led by Jews) hasn't helped.
There's really not much else which goes into their thinking, which does make it pretty hilarious and dramapilled.
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I've always wanted to troll shitlibs by posting pics of black IDF soldiers stopping light skinned people at a traffic stop and ask who is oppressing whom
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There's a snappy quote about how supporting Israel is supporting BLM.
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One time on a training exercise we took time out to meet with an army social worker to talk about black lives matter and what was happening in Ferguson. Almost no one there could even find Missouri on a map
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This is entirely /pol/ tier nonsense + american racialism exported to international affairs.
R-slur
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Oh hey! I was just talking about you ❤️
https://rdrama.net/post/211390/rnews-starts-nooticing-some-stuff-about/5166328#context
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"Is it that we are immune to bs and media manipulation because of our history?"
Africans are historically the easiest group of people to manipulate in this world. Even more so than native Americans.
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What power? The Israelis don't care if they behead all the hostages, it wont stop the IDF from bombing Gaza.
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You have an extremely high level of patience to deal with messaging Redditors, and on a conflict for the most part is not relevant to any of us. I don't know how you do it. I don't fricking bother going to Reddit or 4chan because they are a cesspool of the internet and should get hit with a DDOS atrack.
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Holy shit, formerly colonized people support another colonized people?
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Unfortunately for Palis that's the group least likely to matter. Palis really got cucked by siding with every historic loser in the game, the Soviet Union losing to America and Pakistan losing to India, of Palis support you then regime change immediately to get away from them, their the kiss of death.
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Nice effort
post, it'd be a shame if someone put a bunch of Halloween 
awards on it that made it unreadable 
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Despite my last bits of self respect your title so badly makes me want to sperg an
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So good job, 6/10. I'm mad.
I didn't read anything else you wrote tho.
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The Nigerian trying to explain realism to a sea of self-righteous diaspora-cels
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They still keep on sayin this even after Hamas massacred a thousand civilians and calls for race war against the Jews.
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Snapshots:
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I love actual Africans (that are well off enough
to come to the us or use a computer) they're fricking 
great 
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And advertisers still want to use reddit?
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It's funny how leftist r-slurs think they e the solution to the conflict is having the winners of the war just go okey we give up you win. Shekels are always gonna feel justified living in Israel after what happen in ww2.
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Sea Student is very based send him an invite to come here
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