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OP doesnt have the banner, but I've stalked his comments and he's a westoid
"As Africans we have our share of terror, oppression, colonisation. I notice during these few days of events happening in Palestine that Africans either do not care because let's face it we have our own ongoing issues or are somehow unaffected by media biases. The shock that is felt by the west for the turn of balance in power of the two parties is surprising to them."
He's referring to the fact that isreal has significant support from western nations, especially the traditional colonial nations like Bongland
"It might come out heartless but for me personally war is war. " "The war was happening long before these recent events right? the fact that it is now affecting both sides doesn't move me."
"I condemn this situation overall it is needless to say no one want people to die, not just civilians but military too, but from what my country had gone through, for peace to happen I believe both sides need to gain power to actually be able to negotiate and in the real world it happens through confrontation, Does this make sense?"
"Do you guys as Africans just don't find it shocking that an oppressed group had had enough and that there is war in an originally unstable country?"
"Is it that we are immune to bs and media manipulation because of our history?" AHAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAH AHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA
right sorry, to the stellar high IQ comments
Also since this is the perpetual rebuttal against the fact that Palestinians have been the ones who rejected 2 state solutions for past 7 decades, both op and top comment emphasize this:
"I believe both sides need to gain power to actually be able to negotiate"
"No one really wants to discuss this openly in the media but that's a huge part of it. The fear, the terror, the hostages, have arguably given Palestine a power they've not seen in years. But it's very sad that this is the only way they've seen potential to gain power."
Palestenoids have been offered EXACTly equal divisions by landmass by western arbiters despite being the unequal fricks in the room 3 TIMES! And rejected it each time as they've always wanted all of it.
"it's mind boggling to me how people cannot see who the oppressors are here. We look back at the holocaust and know who the bad guys were. We look at apartheid and see clearly who the bad guys were. We look at UKRAINE and see who the bad guys are but for some reason, there are so many people who are looking at this and supporting the oppressors. I do not get it. It is disheartening" the situation is black and white u guysz
200 IQ diaspora cucks tells us the solution is simple
diasporacucks tells us Hamas r wholesome
"We've always heard these stories from colonial occupiers about an impending mass killing of settlers should freedom arrive and you know it never happens. The reason-for-being of Hamas is resistance against the Israeli colonial state and its continued atrocities against Palestinian people. That's where it draws its support from. End the occupation and Hamas will go out with it."
HAMAS NOT REPRESENTATIVE PALESTINIAN PEOPLES
Our boi SS1452 fighting the good fight alone
Only one lone Nigerian has braincels
"All these BS stories we tell ourselves about righteous resistance to the oppressors means nothing if you've destroyed any incentive for compromise.The civilian toll of this, the highest number of Jewish deaths since 1945 had ensured Israel WILL not compromise. Gaza will be erased.
There is no “power balance” here anymore than the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour gave the Japanese a power balance with the Americans or 9/11 convinced the US to respect Al Quedas res quests to leave the Middle East. It would have been ridiculous to expect such. Death and Destruction are what's in store now.
The reason Apartheid was able to end in SA wasn't because the ANC and black South Africans more broadly gained “power” over the Apartheid government by kidnapping and massacring white South African civilians. In fact the precise opposite, the conviction that White South Africans had nothing to fear from the end of Apartheid other than finally needing to treat everyone equally was what won the day. Many on both sides still resisted with bot grievance against injustice and fear of retribution. But they were in minority, and they lost. Leading to one of the greatest moments in modern human history."
This upsets the others
But our chadlord is immune to virtue signalling nonsense
==="My brother, There is nothing I nor anyone can demand from the Palestinians. And even less that can be done for them. Because ultimately Israel's “rights” do not matter. They're a fricking state.
What matters is the fact that the State of Israel, Nuclear armed and pissed as frick, possesses the ability to erase Gaza and no one is going to stand in their way now. Not even big daddy USA says stop.
And this is the problem with viewing this conflict as a moral one. It is not. What motivates the state of Israel is not any question of the morality of their actions or the motives but rather the thing that has motivated Jews since 1945 the desire that never be victimized again, even if that means they have to be the ones at the other end.
What is moral cannot fry a bowl of Akara right now. The fact of the matter Israel controls the entirety of the territory right now and that is the frame we are working from. Not some idealized frame of power balances and “rights”.
And this is why shows me that most people don't actually care about the Palestinians but rather sending a message on their own personal morality and ensuring they everyone knows they're on the “right side”. marseyitsover: is disgusting but more importantly it is pointless. I am eternally grateful the ANC and RSA went a different route.
He responds to "The degree to which you drink the Western koolaid (right down to your username) is genuinely worrying."
And this here is just absurd. Often times when no one has an argument to make against the points I make they go to this which is especially funny considering my Username is actually meant to make fun of those who simp for long dead empires and tell themselves stories of “heroes” vanquishing “monsters” and “civilization” fight against “barbarism”.
Back from the time when Reddit was MUCH more white and western than it is now. But y'all are often too young to remember and in a fit of emotional immaturity when having no arguments go straight to Ad Hominems rather than addressing the core question.
He responds to "You are standing around cheering for people that will turn their weapons on any of us as soon as it is convenient."
lol 🤦🏾♂️. Again pure drivel and projection at this point from someone with a profound level of immaturity. If you actually read what I wrote you would see this makes even less than no sense.======
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"And therein lies the problem You would never see me accuse you of not being a real African because I disagree with you. Yet often times it is the retort of those with nothing better to say. I can recognize Africans, in this case both of us being Nigerians can have RADICALLY different views on a subject fot a variety of legitimately held reasons. That's what maturity is.
And so call me every denegrating name in the book from a servant to westerners and an American troll simply because I hold different views on the affects of state power and the consequence that has PRACTICALLY for the lives of Palestinians, shows more your unwillingness to actually engage with the core disagreement which can be had without calling everyone you disagree with little better than a colonial subject.
I am Nigerian, born raised and live, and I don't need you to tell me who I am or not. Especially when in all likelihood you are most likely projecting.
I hope you are mature enough to see I am not repeating talking points heard somewhere and chanting “death to Palestine” as I sleep simply because I disagree with you, clearly others can see it. Chill out and understand what I am actually saying rather than the identity you have been projecting unto me. Peace ✌🏾"
The above nigerian is probably a patient 40 year old talking to a smug 18 year old lol
"nothing is more ridiculous and insulting than the "bOtH sIdes" crowd. Sir, one side is committing genocide and the other is suffering it. It's obvious one side has choice and the other not."
Sir, sir, EXCUSE me SIR, but centrism is nazism!
Are you joking right now?
So Gaza must be ran by the very people who made it a concentration camp, and the victims of genocide and ethnic cleansing must "be friends" with the ones committing genocide against them. And mindbogglingly... the dispossessed must "give up something" (what? what's left?) to the people who dispossessed them?
Westerners infected your brain. You'd never say this about your own country's colonizers.
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